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They always just blame the guns (gun law).
I suspect most people don't even know all these mass shooters suffered from untreated mental illnesses.
The victim's father ONLY blamed NRA, he didn't even say a word about mental health care.
According to this article,
"According to Rodger's written manifesto, his family made numerous attempts to get him treatment for symptoms of psychiatric illness, but Rodger was resistant. He was prescribed an antispychotic drug called Risperidone but refused to take it, according to his writings. Rodger was able to purchase his guns legally, even under California's tough gun laws.
"Sadly California is doing it better than almost any other state and it's still an imperfect system," said Winkler.
So seriously, what is the solution here? It is just so sad..
To live in a free society comes with risks and I would rather face those very small risks (in the grand scale of things) then have my civil liberties torn away from myself and others.
Many times the "solution" is worse than the problem, and it is in this case.
Of course not, there is police, military, hunters and sportsmen who possess guns yet they are all strictly registered and actual gun permits for real weapons are very difficult to obtain. Try getting one in Canada.
The reality is that all industrialized nations banned private ownership of weapons.
You contridict yourself...first you say "try to get on in Canada" (which is very possible) then you say "all industrialized nations have banned proviate ownership" is Canada not a industrialized nation?
There are things that CAN be done, the problem is that we don't have the WILL to do so. We used to have asylums where the insane were secured, where they were not a threat to themselves or society. We did away with them in the name of political correctness. Now the insane walk among us with no controls or oversight. Until we address that, we need to expect these types of cases to continue.
"In the name of political correctness"? Oh, I thought it was all about our constitution rights regarding personal liberties and property. I do agree that people who have been diagnosed with certain kinds of mental illnesses should be monitored better, maybe sort of like they do x-cons who have to report to a patrol officer AND all guns be removed from their home plus be on a don't sell-to list. But in this climate of slash and burn government budgets, where is the money going to come from to do that?
No but it caused those people to kill other people.
Seems people on the left refuse to acknowledge we have a mental health crisis
in this country, not a gun problem. But of course the bat **** crazy hollywood types
have to pander to the liberal base.
So what, the whole point of this thread is to bash the kid's father?
You can blame the combination of mental illness and easily available guns, and you can simultaneously wish that the mental health system was better and that guns were more difficult to get.
They are BOTH problems in the same way that having cancer AND having leprosy are both problems.
Why? Because without those excessive amounts of weapons, or accumulation for purposes other than "militia" as envisioned by the framers of the Constitution ... we wouldn't be seeing the numbers of mass murders we've been seeing. People who accumulate such weapons (other than for the stated Constitutional purpose) are all mentally ill, IMO.
Do you blame cars for drunk driving deaths?
Why, without all these cars, we'd have less drunk driving deaths!
I don't have the answers for your questions. Do you have an idea how to prevent this tragedy from happening? Or you just keep on blaming gun laws.
When I first heard that law enforcement had been asked to evaluate this young man, I wondered if it were possible for those officers to have been notified when Rodger began to purchase weapons. If it were possible to have a system in place where law enforcement officers could flag someone so that gun purchases could be noted and alert law enforcement to a potential situation evolving?
Do you support laws that prevent people who HAVE been identified as suffering from mental illness from being able to buy guns?
Do you support laws that advocate national databases identifying those who suffer from mental illness and could be potentially violent?
While many people see this as either you're for the 2nd Amendment or you're against it, that's a terrible perspective. People can and do support gun rights, who also recognize that gun control is also legitimate.
Maybe you, but even the victim's father blamed the gun, or NRA, he never even mentioned one word about mental illnesses.
Well, you can't really kill someone using a mental illness.
(sigh) Here we go again.
Making laws against guns, only works if you rigorously ban EVERY gun that society can possibly own, buy, or fabricate, and then put draconian measures in place to confiscate all of them.
Anything less, will give criminals (those who don't obey laws) far more access to the remaining guns, than law-abiding people.
In other words, laws restricting guns, only disarm law-abiding people. And those are the ones who WEREN'T committing the crimes.
Massively banning guns, also has the undesireable result of leaving those law-abiding people open to predation by the criminals... including the criminals in government.
And it was decided long ago, and remains true to this day, that making laws restricting or banning guns, has far more bad effects than good effects.
When some nutcase shoots people like this Santa Barbara guy did, some people see only the possible good effect (getting the gun out of that bad guy's hands), and completely forget the far worse bad effects that will invariably come with the restrictions and bans.
And some of us don't forget, since we are the ones the bad effects will happen to.
What happened was horrible. Don't make it stupid too.
Last edited by Little-Acorn; 05-27-2014 at 01:18 PM..
Obviously, this is NOT good enough for victim's father
My heart goes out to him, but seriously, he should address the mental health care issues in this country, blaming NRA is just irrational.
If the NRA lobbies against any gun control laws, laws which could have potentially prevented Mr Rodger from purchasing weapons, then it's not irrational to disagree with the NRA's position on these laws.
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