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1.) Out of all the shootings in, say, 2013, how many were one gang member shooting another gang member?
2.) And how many were one person with a criminal record, shooting another person with a criminal record?
(Many gang members don't have criminal records with the police.... yet)
3.) And how many were a criminal in the process of committing another crime (robbery, rape etc.) shooting someone?
4.) And how many were justified cases of self-defense by an innocent person?
5.) And how many were suicides?
If you deleted all those, what you have left, is all the law-abiding people shooting other law-abiding people. These are the cases that might be affected by "tighter gun control laws". My guess is, it will be a relatively small number.
The vast majority of them. Really if you aren't a criminal your chances of being murdered are very small.
This is just one city, but criminals aren't that different across the country.
Generally about 50% of firearm deaths are suicides, that really drops the "gun violence" stats a lot, but a certain political spectrum doesn't want to talk about that.
If someone puts gun ownership rights in their top 5 of government/political priorities, he or she is a Gun Nut. They are so obsessed that they are clearly not paying attention to far, far more important matters.
And anyone who would attack a grieving parent of a kid killed by gun violence, is a Gun Nut at minimum, a no account A-hole more accurately.
If defending the constitution while protecting myself from harm makes me a gun nut in your eyes then not defending the constitution and yourself makes people like you weak .
This does not include all the times guns have prevented violence without a shot being fired.
Or the possibility that someone might have a gun on their person or in their home that prevented potential violence. Crimes that don't happen dont get reported.
Or the possibility that someone might have a gun on their person or in their home that prevented potential violence. Crimes that don't happen dont get reported.
[and therefore, won't appear in any statistic]
Because as proven by low crime rates of all other industrialized nation those are fairy tales.
If guns were helping to improve public safety then our crime rates would be much lower than those of any other industrialized nation. It's quite the opposite. Gun control works.
Indeed. if you take "diverse" cities like New Orleans, St Louis, Chicago, Newark and D.C. out of the equation we have one of the lowest rates of gun violence on Earth.
We have a black problem, not a gun problem.
As uncomfortable it is to talk about blacks ARE driving the gun homicide rate. Blacks make up 13.1% (USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau) of our population yet blacks commit 37.7% of all murders officially and if you distribute the "unknown" offenders equally it is 48.2% of all murders. FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
We don't have a problem when 13.1% of our population commits 48% of the murders? Lets talk about that.
Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively. There is over an order of magnitude more cases of criminal gun use.
That's 11,268 people killed or injured vs just 331 instances of defensive gun use in the whole damn country. It's a completely different scale.
Eh... The thing of it is, even if guns were totally outlawed, outlaws would still have guns. After all, no criminal thinks, "Today, I'm gonna kill that guy who ticks me off... but I won't use a gun because that would be illegal." No - they just commit the crime and have no problems getting the tools to do it - legally or illegally.
Now, I think a bigger question is how many of those deaths were accidental? We do have a problem with a lack of gun safety and proper training in this nation. Too many nutty stories about people leaving handguns loaded and lying around where the kids find them, or the classic story of people cleaning their guns while drunk and somehow shooting themselves. I'd say that firearms safety should be taught in high school - you don't even need to have an actual loaded gun for it, but at least teach the people the basics of what to do and what not to do so they stop getting their information from movies and video games.
As for guns being used for self-defense, that's a good thing since, as previously stated, if guns were outlawed, that would mean only outlaws would have them. But here's another point - how many people are actually using the right self-defense weapon for their situation vs. how many people might be putting friends and family at risk by using the wrong weapon? See - again, we need more training, more firearms and bullet options, and more awareness of what is going on.
You will NEVER be able to stop gun violence committed by criminals, and certainly not by outlawing guns, but I'd just like to see a reduction in accidental deaths and injuries while still providing citizens with all the proper firearms and load options that they need for self-defense, hunting, etc. Oh, and don't forget the training - real guns aren't the same as ones in video games.
Because as proven by low crime rates of all other industrialized nation those are fairy tales.
If guns were helping to improve public safety then our crime rates would be much lower than those of any other industrialized nation. It's quite the opposite. Gun control works.
And all those industrialized nations with strict gun controal still have deaths by guns....
Indeed. if you take "diverse" cities like New Orleans, St Louis, Chicago, Newark and D.C. out of the equation we have one of the lowest rates of gun violence on Earth.
We have a black problem, not a gun problem.
Okay then. If Blacks are considered a problem, what do you propose should be done about it?
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