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Old 06-04-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Didn't I say industrialized nations? Why do you bring up Russia and China then? Do you really want to compare the us to these countries???
Wondering when Russia and Mexico stopped being industrialized nations?

You want to compare murder rate to other countries and then not include the countries that have a higher murder rate than the US because it does not fit your narrative.

You should read this link, helps explain a lot of things.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...oss-countries/

Last edited by shooting4life; 06-04-2014 at 06:17 PM..

 
Old 06-04-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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Wondering when Russia and Mexico stopped being industrialized nations?

You want to compare murder rate to other countries and then not include the countries that have a higher murder rate than the US because it does not fit your narrative.
Good question.

A lot of our US factories went to Mexico........many auto plants.
 
Old 06-04-2014, 06:20 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Remember this the next time the gun nuts post a thread to only highlight when guns are used defensively...
Your username is Think4Youself which you obviously spend little time doing.

If we outlawed guns, people would kill with knives.
If we outlawed knives people would kill with screw drivers.
if we outlawed screw drivers, people would kill with rocks.
If we outlawed rocks, people would kill with their bare hands.
If we outlawed bare hands, you, "Think4Youself" wouldn't be able to type these stupid threads.
So on second thought maybe we should outlaw guns, but for YOU only!
 
Old 06-04-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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Your username is Think4Youself which you obviously spend little time doing.
lol
 
Old 06-04-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Chicago doesn't have strict gun control laws, it has CCW
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Nevertheless, Chicago no longer has tough anti-gun regulation. That's a fact.
Those are damnable lies

To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by theIllinois State Police to any qualified applicant. Non-residents who may legally possess firearms in their home state are exempt from this requirement.

he state police issue permits for the concealed carry of handguns to qualified applicants age 21 or older who pass a 16-hour training course. However, any law enforcement agency can object to an individual being granted a permit "based upon a reasonable suspicion that the applicant is a danger to himself or herself or others, or a threat to public safety". Objections are considered by a Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, which decides whether or not the permit will be issued, based on "a preponderance of the evidence". Permits issued by other states are not recognized. Open carry is prohibited in most areas. Without a concealed carry permit, a firearm must be unloaded and enclosed in a case when it is being transported.


There is a waiting period to take possession after purchasing a firearm — 72 hours for a handgun, or 24 hours for a rifle or shotgun.

For private sales, the seller must verify the buyer's FOID card, and keep a record of the sale for at least 10 years.
Lost or stolen guns must be reported to the police.
Possession of automatic firearms,short-barreled shotguns, or suppressors is prohibited.
Possession of short-barreled rifles is permitted only for those who have an ATF Curios and Relics license or are a member of a military reenactment group.

A gun owner can be charged with a crime if a minor under the age of 14 gains access to their firearm when it is unsecured (i.e. not locked in a box or secured with a trigger lock) and causes death or great bodily harm.

In Illinois, muzzleloaders and black powder guns are considered firearms The only state in America that does that, because we all know thugs use black powder revolvers to commit crimes..

Chicago has banned the possession of certain semi-automatic firearms as well as magazines that can hold more than 15 rounds of ammunition

Air guns that are larger than .18 caliber and that have a muzzle velocity greater than 700 feet per second are also regulated as firearms. Once again the only state that does this has no effect other then chilling ownership.

Licensed firearms dealers must provide information to the county regarding purchasers and the guns they purchase, and receive approval before conducting sales.
An individual may not purchase more than one firearm in a 30-day period. Yeah that really does nothing and does not stop any crimes.

In a home where a person younger than 21 is present, all guns must be secured with a trigger lock, or stored unloaded in a locked container separate from the ammunition, or secured to the body of the legal owner. Once again does not do a damn thing and makes homes less safe.

In Cook County, local laws, such as those of Chicago, take precedence over county laws that regulate similar matters.
 
Old 06-04-2014, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I haven't used FBI data RoTFL. Stop this nonsense, dead body is a dead body in any country, that's why homicide rates are the only ones you can compare. Anyways, i's not just the big cities, the entire us has murder rates way above any industrialized nation. Why? Because these nations are smart and have gun control. Gun control works.
No, you are wrong, a dead body is not just a dead body, it has context to it and how and why it is a dead body.

You cant count all deaths as murder because some are not murdered. some of them are so clearly self defense or officers having to defend themselves from suspects while on duty.

Look violent crime is a 50 year all time low, your are wrong it does not work, if it did why does the cities of Chicago, Baltimore and D.C have such a high crime rate.. ?

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A dead body is not a dead body, there's a HUGE difference between a kid getting shot by someone in a school and a home invader getting shot in someone's living room after breaking down a door. A dead body is not a dead body, that's why most of the numbers being thrown around in this thread are ridiculous. A guy getting shot while walking down a sidewalk is very different than some guy shooting himself with a shotgun in his closet because his girlfriend left him.
Leftist dont not care about context...
 
Old 06-04-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You call 72 hour waiting period a strict regulation? Rotfl
Thank you for this lovely contribution to this thread.
 
Old 06-04-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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Nope, the data from all other industrialized nations clearly shows that less guns equals less crime


Ban firearms and gun related violence will stop they say.....hmmmmm

At least three cops shot in Canada as manhunt underway in Moncton, New Brunswick: report* - NY Daily News
 
Old 06-04-2014, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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When was the last time we had a mass murder done with a screwdriver?
Screwdrivers? Dont know, Box cutters? 9/11/01 3,000 plus dead.
 
Old 06-04-2014, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I always thought it was done with a 747 but maybe you know better and these 3,000 dead were cut up with a box cutter.
They used boxcutter as weapons to hijack the planes to begin with..

I really am at a lost for words that people like you exist in this nation, and you live in New York City...
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