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Yeah and there is absolutely no manipulation going on among the climate alarmists, right?
"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment." Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency
"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe." Daniel Botkin, Professor Emeritus Environmental Studies UC Santa Barbara
“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” Sir John Houghton, first IPCC chair
“We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest.”
"That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have." Stephen Schneider, Stanford Univ., environmentalist, lead IPCC author
"It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty." Monika Kopacz
Applied Mathematics and Atmospheric Sciences
Harvard University
Cambridge, Mass.
“No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.” Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister
“We’ve got to ride the global-warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Timoth Wirth, U.S./UN functionary, former elected Democrat Senator
"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." Richard Benedik, former U.S./UN bureaucrat:
Just as creationists have an apologetics site called Answers in Genesis, (lying for Jesus) I see your denialist cult has one called "Climate Conservative Consumer" (lying for big oil)
Yet you ignore more current research. Also, you seem to think it supports your claim of fraud when it does no such thing. Your own citations are supposed to support your claims, not make you look the buffoon even more.
Again, you believe scientists when you think their findings support Republican garbage, but accuse them of fraud when their findings contradict the lies of Republican garbage. You lack any sort of intellectual integrity.
Notice the temperature records bellow from 1880-2011. Temperatures constantly have cycles of going up and down. And there are also cycles when overall temperatures go down (notice 1940-1970.)
I agree. the earth has warmed and cooled forever. And it will continue to warm and cool.
Remember when the climatologists were all saying that we were going to have ever increasing numbers of hurricanes, with more of them being severe going forward? I do.
No, I can't say I do remember that.
Can you find an article?
Yeah and there is absolutely no manipulation going on among the climate alarmists, right?
"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment." Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency
"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe." Daniel Botkin, Professor Emeritus Environmental Studies UC Santa Barbara
“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” Sir John Houghton, first IPCC chair
“We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest.”
"That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have." Stephen Schneider, Stanford Univ., environmentalist, lead IPCC author
"It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty." Monika Kopacz Applied Mathematics and Atmospheric Sciences Harvard University Cambridge, Mass.
“No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.” Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister
“We’ve got to ride the global-warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” Timoth Wirth, U.S./UN functionary, former elected Democrat Senator
"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." Richard Benedik, former U.S./UN bureaucrat:
Most of these quotes could just as easily apply to the fact that denialists often misquote, remove quotes from context and spin them into huge dramatic controversies that prove AGW is a conspiracy to raise taxes or otherwise oppress people for profit.
None of them apply to the actual science or are definitely proof that AGW is fake or a conspiracy.
I agree. the earth has warmed and cooled forever. And it will continue to warm and cool.
Agreed. But how much it warms depends on how much CO2 is in the atmosphere. And (you) all by yourself put about 20 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
Most of these quotes could just as easily apply to the fact that denialists often misquote, remove quotes from context and spin them into huge dramatic controversies that prove AGW is a conspiracy to raise taxes or otherwise oppress people for profit.
None of them apply to the actual science or are definitely proof that AGW is fake or a conspiracy.
Go reread these again and please tell me how they can be taken out of context! It's amusing when confronted with quotations from your very own side openly admiting to lies and distortion in order to make their case to see the contortions and pretzel shapes you warmists will bend yourselves into in order to keep believing in your warmist dogma!
Your problem is that you think that it's only big oil, Fox news and Rush Limbaugh who are poisoning the well of climate science and knowledge, YOUR side is actively doing the same!! The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and I doubt we will ever know it without a massive overhaul of the system we have where science relies on government funding and activist politicians.
Just as creationists have an apologetics site called Answers in Genesis, (lying for Jesus) I see your denialist cult has one called "Climate Conservative Consumer" (lying for big oil)
That's hilarious
What does that have to do with these quotes from your side, openly admitting to lying and exaggerating in an alarmist way?
How does it make you feel when you've been duped into thinking this is a huge catastrophe when the reality is that they've figured out that alarmism gets more attention than sober, impartial science?
And 99% of people who say global warming is a hoax are in someway connected to the Fox news, Rush radio, ExxonMobile crowd. And they fight to discredit global warming because it will decrease corporate profits.
Is that because the other 1% just don't have a TV?
And did you know that 99% of the AGW alarmists don't know how to read, are liars, only watch MSNBC and get a shiver up their leg while watching Obama tell them lies?
Agreed. But how much it warms depends on how much CO2 is in the atmosphere. And (you) all by yourself put about 20 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
Actually, it doesn't. Chart the past 17 years of CO2 and temps and you will see that while CO2 went way up, temps didn't.
You have it backwards.
But I'll help you with a link to some scientific information. You should try to understand it.
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