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Old 06-02-2014, 09:31 AM
 
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Instead of the military using its budget for weaponry and technology for our soldiers, the Pentagon had a company do a study to how AGW would affect their strategic thinking. The report came out in 2004. Today, most of the findings of the report are bogus or flat out lies.

Pentagon wrestles with false climate predictions as military funds shifted to green agenda - Washington Times
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:43 AM
 
Location: USA
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*sigh*

Look, here are the facts:

Even if you don't believe in global warming - which is pushing it given the data - or don't believe that humans are the cause, which is only really debatable to what level we're affecting the Earth, you still need to prepare for the future. Even if it was somehow absolutely certain that humans were NOT changing the climate (which goes against all data and all of history), the climate still changes on its own and we need to be prepared for that eventuality.

Finally, even without human-driven global warming, there are two realities that need to be addressed - the climate changes on its own and fossil fuels are not limitless. We can either chose to confront those realities or we can hide our heads in the sand, believing partisan rhetoric spewed by the same establishment pawns - regardless of party - who don't want to see anything change if it remotely threatens their power base.

Never forget that if those in power who refuse to face the potential dangers of climate change are wrong, it will be the common man - like you - who suffers and dies for their mistakes... it won't be them... it never is...
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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The climate always changes.

Paying $26 a gallon for biofuel is incredibly stupid given current budgets.

It hasn't warmed in over 17 years.

No one is suffering except the poor in misguided attempts raise electricity prices because of the war on coal.

Man is not causing anything. Your data is only theory, not fact.

Come back to me when you have facts.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The climate always changes.

Paying $26 a gallon for biofuel is incredibly stupid given current budgets.

It hasn't warmed in over 17 years.

No one is suffering except the poor in misguided attempts raise electricity prices because of the war on coal.

Man is not causing anything. Your data is only theory, not fact.

Come back to me when you have facts.

Why would you care about "facts"?

Your post is completely devoid of them.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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Why would you care about "facts"?

Your post is completely devoid of them.
I post facts.

Proponents of AGW post theory.

When your theories are facts, get back to me.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Finally, even without human-driven global warming, there are two realities that need to be addressed - the climate changes on its own and fossil fuels are not limitless.
Actually, they are almost limitless. At least for the next 100 years. We have decades to worry about depleting fossil fuels.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:22 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Actually, they are almost limitless. At least for the next 100 years. We have decades to worry about depleting fossil fuels.
Fossil fuel is one of the things I am actually not worried about. We have plenty and more is being discovered every day with new technology to access it. Plus we already have the solution to reduced the need of fossil fuels (nuclear) we are just choosing not to use it because we are idiots.

The only real replacement for fossil fuels on a large scale is nuclear. Period. Everything else is just small potatoes that make the greenies feel good about themselves.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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So in light of that, the Pentagon budget should not involve spending money on this AGW nonsense.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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The climate always changes.

Paying $26 a gallon for biofuel is incredibly stupid given current budgets.

It hasn't warmed in over 17 years.

No one is suffering except the poor in misguided attempts raise electricity prices because of the war on coal.

Man is not causing anything. Your data is only theory, not fact.

Come back to me when you have facts.
Sigh. Paying $26 a gallon for biofuel is incredibly smart given our current budgets if the idea is to research generating fuel in alternative ways that may in fact be cheaper then the current method. If we went whole hog and did it for green reasons you would be right. But we're not.

gravity is only theory too. Please feel free to test it. global warming is accepted as real by the vast majority of scientists. Just like gravity.

Come back to me when you have some grasp of why almost all science is theories, and why spending money to see if something is possible is a good thing.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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Sigh. Paying $26 a gallon for biofuel is incredibly smart given our current budgets if the idea is to research generating fuel in alternative ways that may in fact be cheaper then the current method. If we went whole hog and did it for green reasons you would be right. But we're not.

gravity is only theory too. Please feel free to test it. global warming is accepted as real by the vast majority of scientists. Just like gravity.

Come back to me when you have some grasp of why almost all science is theories, and why spending money to see if something is possible is a good thing.
It costs $2.5 million annually or $114 per barrel ($2.2 dollars per gallon) to operate a gas turbine Arleigh Burke class DDG. Or $1300 per barrel of biofuel.

By experimenting, the cost is hideous. Biofuels are not the answer.

A Spruance class DD costs $35 million annually to operate and that includes fuel and victuals.
The DD 963 SPRUANCE - class
US Destroyers Get a HED: More Power to Them!
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