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Old 06-02-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
Because every other country has already decided that socialistic, one-size-fits-all health care is more important that private property rights. You can steal from Peter to pay Paul, as long as Paul can show a sickness or injury as a claim on Peter's assets. Sickness or injury now makes theft OK in those countries you so admire, but for some reason have declined to move to.
Taxpayers in your country and mine pay about the same for public healthcare per capita. The difference being that it covers the whole population here, but only a portion of the population there. so your whole Peter/Paul/private property argument is meaningless.

Private health insurance is cheaper here as well, although probably not as extensive as the US.

 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Obamacare is a socialist redistribution of wealth scheme. That's all it is.
Wrong. Obamacare is a repackaged conservative plan.

The original idea for what we now call "Obamacare" was first floated by Stuart M. Butler, domestic policy director for the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, back in 1989. It was outlined in a paper entitled, "A National Health System for America." Look it up if you don't believe me.

So, basically, a plan that started out on the far right wing of conservatism in 1989 is denounced as "socialist" by the conservatives of 2014. That is how insanely far to the right today's conservatives are. They are so far to the right, they are in a ditch.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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Wrong. Obamacare is a repackaged conservative plan.

The original idea for what we now call "Obamacare" was first floated by Stuart M. Butler, domestic policy director for the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, back in 1989. It was outlined in a paper entitled, "A National Health System for America." Look it up if you don't believe me.
Not only that, but the Heritage's original proposal argued that the individual mandate protected society from the imprudence of "liberty." Details can be found here.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Wrong. Obamacare is a repackaged conservative plan.

The original idea for what we now call "Obamacare" was first floated by Stuart M. Butler, domestic policy director for the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, back in 1989. It was outlined in a paper entitled, "A National Health System for America." Look it up if you don't believe me.
And as soon as conservatives studied it and decided it was too destructive of freedomes and could be done better in other ways, they changed their mind, kicked the plan off the Heritage Foundation, and denounced it.

But desperate liberals keep lying to this day, trying to pretend that conservatives support it, even as the liberals versions of it destroy what's left of the American health care.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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And as soon as conservatives studied it and decided it was too destructive of freedomes and could be done better in other ways, they changed their mind, kicked the plan off the Heritage Foundation, and denounced it.

But desperate liberals keep lying to this day, trying to pretend that conservatives support it, even as the liberals versions of it destroy what's left of the American health care.
Wrong!!!

Universal health care is more conservative than our current system.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:14 PM
 
Location: USA
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So now you pay in cash for all medical visits?

I didn't think so.
The funny part is that by admitting to having an insurance policy, by definition he's participating in the same "evil" spreading of costs that he so despises. Of course, that's only "evil" if it is his money going to help somebody else. Typical right-wing lunatic.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
And as soon as conservatives studied it and decided it was too destructive of freedomes and could be done better in other ways, they changed their mind, kicked the plan off the Heritage Foundation, and denounced it.

But desperate liberals keep lying to this day, trying to pretend that conservatives support it, even as the liberals versions of it destroy what's left of the American health care.
I think you mean to say "as soon as the conservative party was taken over completely by corporate interests and Tea Party lunatics, they tried to rewrite history and pretend that the ACA and their plan are not effectively one in the same."

Let's face facts: the real reason modern right-wing extremists hate the ACA is mostly based upon ignorance, shallow fears of "communism," and plain-old racism and class war-fare. "Oh, no - some of my money might help a poor person or a black person, and black person in the White House was involved - the horror!"

Funny how when lily-white Romney came up with basically the same idea in Massachusetts and it worked out fine there. But he's a white guy and conservative, so that's okay.

RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I think you mean to say
No point in reading further.

People who start a post to me this way, always do it because they are unable to answer what I had said. So they try depserately to pretend I meant something else.

(yawn)
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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No point in reading further.

People who start a post to me this way, always do it because they are unable to answer what I had said. So they try depserately to pretend I meant something else.

(yawn)
So, you can't address the issues posted and instead make loony comments. Good for you - that tells everyone what they need to know about your interest in the truth. Have fun with that.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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No you don't. If you have health insurance, you are asking others to pick up your tab. Pay up, tough guy.
I don't think you know that insurance is a financial contract. The ACA is not insurance.
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