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Evidently, it won't be fine. There is going to be a very good chance my cake will have Ex-Lax, poison, fecal matter, salt or urine in it. Apparently, some don't like these laws that will be upheld, and will express it by being right-wing dicks.
Sick puppies.
There just is no law that will make people like you....(or, anyone else)
Most businesses will like your money........the smart businesses person will never let you know the difference.
Can a "right" ever be granted to a certain "protected class" of people without denying a right to those who are NOT "protected"?
Seems top me the answer is a resounding "NO"! What about the Civil Rights of the NON-protected person? Did they magically disappear?
Apparently, the answer is "YES"!
But what do you think of Colorado's right as a state to include sexual orientation as a protected class? You are rejecting that while at the same time saying the right to discriminate is sacrosanct. So you are in fact using states rights to mean the right to discriminate.
so its ok for some people to discriminate but not others? that is what you are saying when you are talking about "protected" classes of people. in essence you are saying that a black person or a gay person can discriminate against a white person, or a christian, but the reverse is not allowed. and thus because of that there are no civil rights for anyone because they do not equally apply to everyone.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Mon
At the end of the day an incorporated business is an entity of the state, not an extension of your home. Once an owner incorporates and takes advantage of all of tax advantages that entails they are beholden to the regulations of that state. And if the business owner doesn't want to publically accommodate everyone that the state says they have to then they shouldn't be in business.
rubbish. if this is the case then we do not have a free market, we do not have a capitalist society, we have a socialist society. people do not own their businesses the government does, and that is actually false.
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
To a right winger, having to obey the same laws as everyone else is just like slavery. Biggest bunch of crybabies I've ever seen. Pathetic.
again rubbish. i dont mind following the same laws everyone else has to follow, i do object however to being forced to follow laws that not all people have to follow. as i note above, if someone is allowed to discriminate against me just because i am a white male, and they are gay or black, or what ever other "protected" class, then the civil rights laws are not being equally applied and as such are not laws at all anymore. they MUST apply to EVERYONE EQUALLY or they are no longer laws. most states have a loaw that allows businesses to refuse to serve anyone. but now we have the courts stepping in and overruling those laws. which means government is getting far too large. so maybe what we should do is turn all businesses over to the government so that no one owns any business, and everyone becomes a government employee, is that what you want?
If I recall, the proprietor (with all of the media heat) declared he would no longer bake any wedding cakes (regardless of the orientation/ sex of the couple) but would be happy to make cupcakes.
Court decided that a bakery that by declaration does not make wedding cakes should be forced to bake wedding cakes. That sets an unusual precedent as now, one could walk up to a shoe shine station or into a doughnut shop, demand a wedding cake and the established is obligated to produce a wedding cake.
Heck, why not walk up to a lemonade stand and demand to use your debit card and demand cash back on your purchase?
The solution here is for the cake maker to abide by the law and put a 'we make wedding cakes' sign in the window. Prices start at $603,000. Pay in full upon ordering. Approximate wait time 7 to 10 years. Couple figurines/ lettering/ decorations are not provisioned. Cake must be delivered to an off premises location. Customer must supply man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, man/ giraffe figurines and affix (if so chosen) after delivery receipt.
The proprietor is abiding by law, anyone who wants a cake can obtain one.
Any future injunction to force the proprietor to sell a certain price will definitely buck of against commerce laws and would never hold water.
so its ok for some people to discriminate but not others? that is what you are saying when you are talking about "protected" classes of people. in essence you are saying that a black person or a gay person can discriminate against a white person, or a christian, but the reverse is not allowed. and thus because of that there are no civil rights for anyone because they do not equally apply to everyone.
What are you talking about?
A black person - when selling a product at a store - can't discriminate against a person because he is white or christian just like a white or christian person - when selling a product at a store - can't discriminate against a black person. It's exactly the same whether "forward" or "reverse."
A black person - when selling a product at a store - can't discriminate against a person because he is white or christian just like a white or christian person - when selling a product at a store - can't discriminate against a black person. It's exactly the same whether "forward" or "reverse."
Because he/she cannot say no, they have become a slave of the state, if they want to eat and remain unchained.
If I recall, the proprietor (with all of the media heat) declared he would no longer bake any wedding cakes (regardless of the orientation/ sex of the couple) but would be happy to make cupcakes.
Court decided that a bakery that by declaration does not make wedding cakes should be forced to bake wedding cakes. That sets an unusual precedent as now, one could walk up to a shoe shine station or into a doughnut shop, demand a wedding cake and the established is obligated to produce a wedding cake.
Heck, why not walk up to a lemonade stand and demand to use your debit card and demand cash back on your purchase?
The solution here is for the cake maker to abide by the law and put a 'we make wedding cakes' sign in the window. Prices start at $603,000. Pay in full upon ordering. Approximate wait time 7 to 10 years. Couple figurines/ lettering/ decorations are not provisioned. Cake must be delivered to an off premises location. Customer must supply man/woman, man/man, woman/woman, man/ giraffe figurines and affix (if so chosen) after delivery receipt.
The proprietor is abiding by law, anyone who wants a cake can obtain one.
Any future injunction to force the proprietor to sell a certain price will definitely buck of against commerce laws and would never hold water.
nice option.
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What are you talking about?
A black person - when selling a product at a store - can't discriminate against a person because he is white or christian just like a white or christian person - when selling a product at a store - can't discriminate against a black person. It's exactly the same whether "forward" or "reverse."
really? are you sure that no black person or no gay person has ever discriminated against a white or christian? if you think that then you are very naive. its just that since such discrimination isnt reported because it doesnt fit the agenda of the liberals, and that is to brainwash the people so they are easy to control by a big government.
really? are you sure that no black person or no gay person has ever discriminated against a white or christian? if you think that then you are very naive. its just that since such discrimination isnt reported because it doesnt fit the agenda of the liberals, and that is to brainwash the people so they are easy to control by a big government.
Um, that's not really relevant to your comment and my response to it, but I'd imagine that somewhere, sometime in the the US a black or gay business person has discriminated against a white or christian person when it comes to service.
But you said that "protected classes" protects black and gay people, but not christian and whites. That's just a flat-out LIE. The discriminated against white or christian person would have the exact same legal recourse as the black person.
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