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Old 06-04-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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Maybe we should take their example Lets eradicate a whole class of people, start a war and get the crap blown out of us and then let someone else pay to rebuild the country? Worked for the Krauts right?
Huh? The Germans haven't rebuild their country after 1945?
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Huh? The Germans haven't rebuild their country after 1945?
WW2 History 101:

The Marshal Plan
Marshall Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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WW2 History 101:

The Marshal Plan
Marshall Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yep.

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Germany, which up until the 1953 Debt agreement had to work on the assumption that all the Marshall plan aid was to be repaid, spent its funds very carefully. Payment for Marshall plan goods, "counterpart funds", were administered by the Reconstruction Credit Institute, which used the funds for loans inside Germany. In the 1953 Debt agreement the amount of Marshall plan aid that Germany was to repay was reduced to less than 1 billion USD.[83] This made the proportion of loans versus grants to Germany similar to that of France and the UK.[82] The final German loan repayment was made in 1971.[84] Since Germany chose to repay the aid debt out of the German Federal budget, leaving the German ERP fund intact, the fund was able to continue its reconstruction work. By 1996 it had accumulated a value of 23 billion Deutsche Mark.[85]
Most of it was paid back. Most of the Marshal Plan went to other European Nations.
I wouldn't claim we rebuild Germany. The Germans did.
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Word is out how government of the wealthy, by the wealthy and for the wealthy is destroying the quality of life in the US. The US is entering the end stage of capitalism and will disintegrate into chaos unless we change our ways and redistribute wealth back to the dying middle class.
Was there a "middle class" in America before 1950? What about before 1930?
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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This makes sense. Why would anyone admire a corporate oligarchy where he citizens were too busy watching the Kardashians to care that their rights and their wealth was taken right out from under them?Any country where corporations are treated like citizens is a den of fools.
And Russia has their own version of this cultural behavior. It's ugly.
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:43 PM
 
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Obama has done quite a number on the United States' reputation in the world. A 16 percentage point drop in Germany? Great job, Barry. Hat tip to the morons who voted for Obama, too.
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Obama has done quite a number on the United States' reputation in the world. A 16 percentage point drop in Germany? Great job, Barry. Hat tip to the morons who voted for Obama, too.
And the same to the morons who believe the GOP offered better alternatives.
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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No surprise. Most Americans are pretty stupid anyway.

Guess it's taken the world a few minutes to figure it out.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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Word is out how government of the wealthy, by the wealthy and for the wealthy is destroying the quality of life in the US. The US is entering the end stage of capitalism and will disintegrate into chaos unless we change our ways and redistribute wealth back to the dying middle class.
This thread is about Europe.

Not US bashing. Start your own thread that bashes the US.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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My god I wish people would shut up about "classes." Screw classes. Why the hell should I care if someone has a Lexus and a McMansion? Or eats steak for dinner every night? How does that affect me personally?

Every friggin' thread here has to somehow have "classes" integrated into it. You people are obsessed with classes. At what point did the wheels fall out from under your buses in life and all you could think about was classes and how to covet?
Agreed, those that cry about it have the "they have it, I want it and it needs to be given to me" syndrome.
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