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Old 06-04-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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Race supremacy nationalism.
Implementing that at a government level would require a totalitarian state, but that does not indicate the nation's economic system. It could be a racial supremist nationalist welfare state or a racial supremist nationalist capitalist state.
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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People do not trust government because the history of humans is filled with governments who destroy it citizenry. Distrusting government is like saying the sun is going to come up tomorrow, ages of occurrences that predict future results.

The USA is slightly different because it's founders were wise enough to try and empower the people and limit government, but eventually that will not be able to stop the beast that is bureaucracy. Nothing more dangerous than someone who thinks they have the moral authority to make decisions for others.
So do you think our checks and balances work, still?
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I've read various surveys on this subject (whether the majority of Americans are right-wing) and most state that, based on polling, this is so. What do you think? I recall seeing David Brooks on PBS claim that this is the case.

It SEEMS that way to me, given that no socialists or liberal Democrats or any leftists for that matter have been elected to the presidency that I can think of (maybe Roosevelt could be considered liberal...or maybe it was just Eleanor, based on some things I have read recently. Carter seems to have been more conservative than I thought at the time).
Yes. Globally, even US Democrats are considered right wing. .
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Implementing that at a government level would require a totalitarian state, but that does not indicate the nation's economic system. It could be a racial supremist nationalist welfare state or a racial supremist nationalist capitalist state.
That's true. The Nazi are considered right-wing yet they were socialist labor party.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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So do you think our checks and balances work, still?
Not really, the executive branch is far too powerful now and states rights have been all but destroyed.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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They can't get ahead because they haven't learned a skill someone is willing to pay for.
Not quite accurate, when there are sources available at lower prices than the national economy can support. At this point the US is outsourcing brain surgery, rocket science, and computer programming at higher and higher rates every year...what other skills are you talking about? All intellectual production can be outsourced, and is being outsourced. Production of transportable industrial goods can be outsourced, and is being outsourced.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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I suppose with Obama being centre-right, and the idea that the US is overall right or centre-right, that would explain his election and re-election. Brooks didn't explain why he thought the US was centre-right overall; I have heard him defend Obama.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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That's true. The Nazi are considered right-wing yet they were socialist labor party.
They were a far right military dictatorship who called themselves nationalist socialist party who considered communism the biggest threat to the world. They were all over the place. It cracks me up when people try to associate them with todays right or left. They were both, and neither.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Exactly.

This is what troubles me as well. Vested interests - big business, big religion, and assorted radical groups from both the "left" and the "right" - have taken over this nation. As our rights and earning power erode, jobs vanish, and hope fades. Now, to top it off, we're stuck defending our nation from an assault of right-wing lunatics who want to undo 100 years of social progress. Note that I'd be just as offended by left-wing lunatics, but one need only look around this forum to see the type of hate - and from what party it originates.

So, while "legitimate rape" is tossed around in some circles, hate-filled nuts cry out about how badly they want to see their fellow citizens starve to death, and others try to pretend that the separation of church and state doesn't apply to *their* religion, our nation grows poorer and poorer, jobs bleed away, and hope disappears. It is a disgrace.
I was reading this article and one of the reader comments really hit home for me:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/02/op...t&emc=rss&_r=0

'Mareln

MA 2 days ago
I didn't need to read this because I'm living it. I can't buy nearly as much with my pay as I could back in 2000. My rent has skyrocketed, my medical co-pays have skyrocketed, my children's college tuition has skyrocketed. My paycheck has not skyrocketed--nor have the paychecks of my friends and relatives. We were the middle class in 2000, and now we are struggling to get by, living paycheck to paycheck. All the while, we see corporate profits skyrocket and go to the .01 percent who don't pay taxes. How much longer can this go on?'

Seems like with SCOTUS working for the wealthy and the Congress locked, it can go on for awhile.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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Not really, the executive branch is far too powerful now and states rights have been all but destroyed.
I don't see how the Executive Branch is more powerful than a Legislative branch united against the president. The president only has power where the Congress is divided...and if the Congress is divided, that means "the people" as whole don't strongly care enough on one side or the other about the issues to block the president across the board.

But will you see any president simply refuse to allocate to, say, the military pay allocated by Congress regardless of his feelings about the military? No, because both parties in both houses would oppose that particular action.

The President only has unilateral power where the Houses are divided. And that is intended.
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