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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
This wasn't a prisoner exchange. Bergdahl was a deserter. Considered such by the Pentagon for years, which knew where he was but refused to risk troops to retrieve him, again, because he deserted.
If found to be a deserter, that does not mean he isnt also a prisoner. The 2 terms are not mutually exclusive.
2. Whether he was a deserter or not does not change the argument I was making, which is that nothing illegal happened by exchanging him. That was my point and that is what you responded to.
Well, it appears this 'trade' accomplished two things - got an American 'detainee' (I can't even refer to him as a POW - at best he is a mental flake) returned - and eliminated that pesky problem of what to do with these hard-core fanatical Islamists who were impeding the closing of Guantanomo.
I'm not a bleeding-heart liberal. At the same time, I haven't voted GOP in decades.
That said, Lindsay Graham had it right last night. Essentially, the US has returned to Afghanistan their worst nightmares - five of them. Expect a regression back to the days of public stonings and all the other horrors these people perpetrate.
Anyone who believes these five, hard-core fanatics won't continue to promote aggressively their beliefs attempt to weaken Afghan's shaky government is beyond naive. Leopards don't change their spots - and especially these guys.
What was the alternative to keeping them in Guantanomo - a firing squad?? I don't have the answers for this - but I'm pretty sure Bowe Bergdahl wasn't worth the price the Afghan people - and maybe the world - will be paying in the near future for this 'trade.' The Afghanees have to be so demoralized at this point. Sad.
President Obama can lawfully release the detainees if he wants to. Congress has made it difficult, but not impossible. ........The NDAA does not, however, ban the president from releasing detainees. Section 1028 authorizes him to release them to foreign countries that will accept them—the problem is that most countries won’t, and others, like Yemen, where about 90 of the 166 detainees are from, can’t guarantee that they will maintain control over detainees, as required by the law.
This is the "you can do what ever you want as long as you follow our impossible rules "Fallacy.
Not that your own link will stop you from repeating the same thing over and over again.
Yes I have heard the "broke the law" argument. You didnt add in the usual "that he signed in" statement.
#1 it was added to a larger bill
#2 he signed a signing statement at the time that he would not follow that as its unconstitutional
#3 Is he right? Looks like it. But if not Feel free to impeach him. If your reps dont do so then they either agree it was lawful, or feel it was a reasonable thing to do.
Well, it appears this 'trade' accomplished two things - got an American 'detainee' (I can't even refer to him as a POW - at best he is a mental flake) returned - and eliminated that pesky problem of what to do with these hard-core fanatical Islamists who were impeding the closing of Guantanomo.
I'm not a bleeding hard liberal. At the same time, I haven't voted GOP in decades.
That said, Lindsay Graham had it right last night. Essentially, the US has returned to Afghanistan their worst nightmares - five of them. Expect a regression back to the days of public stonings and all the other horrors these people perpetrate.
Anyone who believes these five, hard-core fanatics won't continue to promote their beliefs is beyond naive. Leopards don't change their spots - and especially these guys.
What was the alternative to keeping them in Guantanomo - a firing squad?? I don't have the answers for this - but I'm pretty sure Bowe Bergdahl wasn't worth the price the Afghan people - and maybe the world - will be paying in the near future for this 'trade.' Now that's a nasty thing to say, but, sadly, it's true.
Things aren't going to be bad for others because 5 guys are released. There was the story about the pregnant wife getting stoned just the other day.
This is the "you can do what ever you want as long as you follow our impossible rules "Fallacy.
Not that your own link will stop you from repeating the same thing over and over again.
"War over"
Done deal. There is nothing impossible about that. Why wasn't this done 5 years ago?
Bothe Bush and Obama have tried to close Guantanamo, congress wants to keep it open forever because of their electorate.
That's debateable. I know a lot of constituents don't want them housed in the US.
President Obama could order the closure of the entire base at Gitmo and also has the power to
transfer the detainees.
The military base serves no other purpose than holding the detainees at Gitmo. It is costing a fortune. And it doesn't cost over $300,000 a prisoner to release them either. Curious - what did they have in their pockets when they were picked up...
And it shouldn't cost the 80 Million Obama requested to shut down Gitmo either.
Of the 149 remaining, try the ones they know they have evidence on IN A MILITARY COURT
- held for over a decade, they know what they have.
Release the rest exactly where they picked them up; in Afghanistan.
If in doubt about certain detainees, set up a POW camp there. After all, we are keeping military force there
after 2014 to train their police. What better hands on training than guarding their own riff raff.
This isn't rocket science. Folks in DC are ying yanging this Gitmo around because it adds to the
never ending purse for a "war on terror".
Well, it appears this 'trade' accomplished two things - got an American 'detainee' (I can't even refer to him as a POW - at best he is a mental flake) returned - and eliminated that pesky problem of what to do with these hard-core fanatical Islamists who were impeding the closing of Guantanomo.
I'm not a bleeding-heart liberal. At the same time, I haven't voted GOP in decades.
That said, Lindsay Graham had it right last night. Essentially, the US has returned to Afghanistan their worst nightmares - five of them. Expect a regression back to the days of public stonings and all the other horrors these people perpetrate.
Anyone who believes these five, hard-core fanatics won't continue to promote aggressively their beliefs attempt to weaken Afghan's shaky government is beyond naive. Leopards don't change their spots - and especially these guys.
What was the alternative to keeping them in Guantanomo - a firing squad?? I don't have the answers for this - but I'm pretty sure Bowe Bergdahl wasn't worth the price the Afghan people - and maybe the world - will be paying in the near future for this 'trade.' The Afghanees have to be so demoralized at this point. Sad.
Ive already seen articles about how this has gone over with the Afghan government ... to say they are not pleased would be an understatement. The White House never even bothered to inform the respective ambassadors - the US Ambassador to Afghanistan and the Afghan Ambassador to the US had to find out when the news reported it.
This is a colossal clusterf--k .... what the eff was the White House thinking? Where were Obama's advisers? What did Obama hope to accomplish from such an incredibly stupid stunt that pissed off our Afghan allies, half the Democratic Party, the US military, and not to mention gave the GOPers like me even more ammo to use against him. I don't understand ... it's like ... I can't even wrap my head around the sheer stupidity.
thus, when hostilities end, the detainees may be released.
"War over".
Why wasn't this done 5 years ago?
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