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Old 06-11-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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The problem is that there should never have been a trade of Gitmo prisoners.
Why not, if his release was the result? Trading of prisoners isn't somthing novel ... nor is the U.S. Government dealing with guerilla/terrorist groups.

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We could have gone in and gotten him out other ways.
Apparently, you know something the Joint Chief's and the President don't.

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It is my belief that the proper way of extracting him was blocked by BO for his political-agenda bull he always pulls.
So, what was the "proper way"? Describe it for us, please.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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i dont mean to be ignorant, but please tell me the significance of the Rose Garden Ceremony, what is the reason that is so vehemently sickening to people especially vets? I'm not quite getting it, so please let me know.
What I find amazing is how Obama was caught so flatfooted over what the reaction would be. It should have been obvious.

There is no one reason. There are many. There are those like myself that hate his continued dismissal of laws when it suits his purpose and the way the administration seems to have to lie about everything.
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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What I find amazing is how Obama was caught so flatfooted over what the reaction would be. It should have been obvious.

There is no one reason. There are many. There are those like myself that hate his continued dismissal of laws when it suits his purpose and the way the administration seems to have to lie about everything.

Almost from the day the man was captured, people from both sides of the aisle have been imploring the President to find a way to get him released. This was true up right up to the time that he was actually released.
The fact of his walking away from camp was NEVER in doubt. It was in the original report released five years ago. And yet, untold numbers of people still lobbied, posted impassioned pleas on Twitter, Facebook, etc. imploring the President to do something.
Was there any indication that any one of these people viewed PFC Bergdahl as anything other than worthy of rescue/release? No. As long as he was still captive, he was just another cudgel with which to batter the President.

Then, lo and behold. The President and the family appear in the Rose Garden. They announce that after five long years, as wished for by the multitudes, their soldier is being released.
And at that moment, that soldier became the anti-Christ to the VERY SAME people that not two months prior had begged for his release.

That reaction should have been obvious? Really?
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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Almost from the day the man was captured, people from both sides of the aisle have been imploring the President to find a way to get him released. This was true up right up to the time that he was actually released.
Not illegally. This is obvious by even the remarks by Feinstein. Not by those in the military. And then a president would have to understand that people really didn't know the complete story. I hadn't followed it.

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The fact of his walking away from camp was NEVER in doubt. It was in the original report released five years ago. And yet, untold numbers of people still lobbied, posted impassioned pleas on Twitter, Facebook, etc. imploring the President to do something.
Was there any indication that any one of these people viewed PFC Bergdahl as anything other than worthy of rescue/release? No. As long as he was still captive, he was just another cudgel with which to batter the President.

Then, lo and behold. The President and the family appear in the Rose Garden. They announce that after five long years, as wished for by the multitudes, their soldier is being released.
And at that moment, that soldier became the anti-Christ to the VERY SAME people that not two months prior had begged for his release.

That reaction should have been obvious? Really?
Dianne Feinstein: No threat to Bergdahl - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com

And then you had to consider the lies the administration presented. But maybe I am off a little. Considering that they concocted so many false narratives the administration must have known they would have to spin this. So they likely weren't completely flat footed, but still way out of touch.
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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Almost from the day the man was captured, people from both sides of the aisle have been imploring the President to find a way to get him released. This was true up right up to the time that he was actually released.

The fact of his walking away from camp was NEVER in doubt. It was in the original report released five years ago. And yet, untold numbers of people still lobbied, posted impassioned pleas on Twitter, Facebook, etc. imploring the President to do something.

Was there any indication that any one of these people viewed PFC Bergdahl as anything other than worthy of rescue/release? No. As long as he was still captive, he was just another cudgel with which to batter the President.

Then, lo and behold. The President and the family appear in the Rose Garden. They announce that after five long years, as wished for by the multitudes, their soldier is being released.
And at that moment, that soldier became the anti-Christ to the VERY SAME people that not two months prior had begged for his release.

That reaction should have been obvious? Really?
Well, I guess it should have been obvious to all of us that have been paying attention to the loony right wingers over the last five years. They've done essentially the same kind of flip flops on issues they once believed in as soon a Democrats and/or the president agreed with them. It's been their M.O. for the last five years now. Shame on us for not assuming they would continue their asinine ways, even when it comes to the troops they pretend so loudly to support.

Here's what Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte had to say about Bergdahl a mere two weeks ago, in a Memorial Day speech:

"We also must continue to keep Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, who has been held prisoner by the Taliban for nearly five years, in our thoughts and prayers - and I renew my call on the Defense Department to redouble its efforts to find Sergeant Bergdahl and return him safely to his family."


Nary a word about him being a deserter; nary a word about him not being worthy of rescue. Quite the opposite--it was all the usual bogus flag waving patriotism.

Until the president actually did what she asked. Then suddenly....
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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Well, I guess it should have been obvious to all of us that have been paying attention to the loony right wingers over the last five years. They've done essentially the same kind of flip flops on issues they once believed in as soon a Democrats and/or the president agreed with them. It's been their M.O. for the last five years now. Shame on us for not assuming they would continue their asinine ways, even when it comes to the troops they pretend so loudly to support.

Here's what Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte had to say about Bergdahl a mere two weeks ago, in a Memorial Day speech:

"We also must continue to keep Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, who has been held prisoner by the Taliban for nearly five years, in our thoughts and prayers - and I renew my call on the Defense Department to redouble its efforts to find Sergeant Bergdahl and return him safely to his family."


Nary a word about him being a deserter; nary a word about him not being worthy of rescue. Quite the opposite--it was all the usual bogus flag waving patriotism.

Until the president actually did what she asked. Then suddenly....
So what is her position today? What has she said?
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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Now they say he was dismissed from coast guard after a month and yet was able to join the Army. Just another screwup by government like Snowden's fake resume and the navy shipyard killer. then one scandal after another including fake records at VA hospitals. Unbelievable.
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Old 06-11-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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No one ever promised veterans a rose garden.
Cute! They did promise veterans a doctors appointment and they couldn't even delivery that.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:05 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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A 22-page secret FBI report dated June 11, 2012, obtained by investigative reporter Jason Leopold, shows that both Hastings and former Afghanistan war veteran and co-writer Matt Farwell were under an intense FBI investigation in early 2012. The document is highly redacted; but it appears Hastings and Farwell were under direct FBI surveillance, including when they met with Bowe Bergdahl’s parents in 2012.
This Journalist Died After Exposing Bowe Bergdahl’s Anti-Americanism
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/traitor-bowe-bergdahl-linked-michael-hastings-murder/#fBysWxallIm1AkJU.99


Time to dot the "i"'s and cross the "t"s.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Dead link.
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