CBO Quietly Drops Forecast That Obamacare Will Cut the Deficit (Harry Reid, interstate)

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by ambient

oopsies.

Have fun, kids!

This abortion hasn't even putrefied yet.

Originally Posted by BentBow

Are the private insurance companies, that are the exchanges, really government agencies collecting revenue.

Probably.

Originally Posted by Kibby

Interesting that they had to admit that ObamaCare is so mis-managed and so out of control that there is no way to get any real budget figures on it. What a mess.

CongressCritters should cease funding until the CBO can rate it.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

They never made that claim.

You'd never know.....one of Obama's goons would have them excise such comments from the report.

Don't you know how your government works?

You don't remember Clinton setting a precedent by appointing an army of goons to baby-sit every federal agency and office, in order to get advance warning so the Administration could spin the reports?

You don't remember Bush continuing this very bad practice?

Obama took it a step further....his goons edit the reports.

Since you don't understand the US Constitution, the Cabinet positions were intended to be neutral, as in advocates for the People, not Sycophants for the President. That is to say, the Cabinet is intended to be a check on Presidential power.....largely representing the States, but advocating for the People.

Ever since Wilson, the Cabinets have slowly shifted into just another propaganda arm for presidents.

One small step for Dictatorship; One giant leap for Totalitarianism.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Republicans are a mystery to me, you attack the law, tell people not to sign up , run a fear campaign for the better half of 3 years and then attack the law because parts of it had to be delayed because people believed Republicans when they said they would repeal it ???

It was delayed to prevent economic damage.....it's an Economics-Thing....you wouldn't understand.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Republican logic, if it doesnt fix the problem 100%, then we shouldnt try it at all.

That's Liberal logic, not Republican logic (and certainly not Conservative logic): Free Market reforms would fix your healthcare system 100%......but you condemn Freedom of Choice (except for murdering sentient beings in the womb) and do everything to block reforms that would lower the cost of medical care, which in turn would lower the cost of health plan coverage.

Right?

If you paid the real cost plus profit for an appendectomy --- about $2,800 -- instead of being price-gouged by a monopoly for $55,000, then not only does medical care cost less, but it costs less to insure medical care, so you win two times.

See if you can wrap your brain around that.

Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC

Just to make sure I understand you correctly.....your hypothesis is that the Administration delayed key parts of the law because people believed Republicans would repeal the law?

Is that really what you're saying???

Do you ever read what you write? More importantly, do you believe the crap that you put forth???

Dude.....this is frickin' unreal.

How do you even retort to some of the stupid things these people say?

Originally Posted by pknopp

I'm against it because its a massive welfare program for the insurance companies.

Hospitals.

Hospitals and doctors get to bill whatever the hell they want.....like $55,000 for an appendectomy that really only costs about $2,800 with a modest profit margin.

So....who's zooming who?

Originally Posted by florida.bob

Significant changes in the ACA roll out and implementation beget significant changes in the cost analysis. I don't know why that would surprise anyone.

BerlinBob, did you ever find the missing 43 Million "uninsured"?

Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC

Your hypothesis is that the changes were so significant that even the CBO can't accurately project or forecast the outcomes?

If so, do you stand by this hypothesis?

Like I said, how do you respond to an hypothesis as ridiculous as that?

Originally Posted by ntwrkguy1

The name "Obama" will be the "Edsel" of the 21st century.

I like it.

Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated

I thought Obamacare was supposed to be a "job killer"

*shrugs*

It's Economics.....it's not a plane.....it doesn't have an ETA and doesn't take-off and land at your whim.

Originally Posted by borregokid

There will be more money for Tricare, more money for VA and the cuts to Medicare Part C have been delayed.

And Worker's Compensation?

What kind of hypocrite attacks the VA but refuses to attack Worker's Compensation?

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Uh huh...

Despite the substantial projected increases in insurance coverage under the ACA, CBO and JCT estimate that in 2024, 31 million people, or roughly one in nine non- elderly U.S. residents, will be without health insurance (see Figure 1). In that year, about 30 percent of those uninsured people are expected to be unauthorized immi- grants and thus ineligible either for exchange subsidies or for most Medicaid benefits; about 5 percent will be ineligible for Medicaid because they live in a state that has chosen not to expand coverage; about 20 percent will be eligible for Medicaid but will choose not to enroll; and the remaining 45 percent will not purchase insurance to which they have access through an employer, an exchange, or directly from an insurer.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil..._Estimates.pdf

Way to go BigJon.

Originally Posted by Fancy-Schmancy

Many of those '30 million' live in states where the GOP governor and/or legislatures refused to implement the program...largely for political reasons.

Looks like your parade just got cancelled in a hail storm.

Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated

The country seems to be doing just fine. I believe the DOW just hit a record high today, unemployment ticked down again, and we are tapering out of these wars.

The DJIA set record highs during the 1925 Recession, 1928 Recession, the Ike/JFK Recession, the Nixon Recession and a few others.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

First off, they'll have a new set of revised numbers that are more specific within a couple of months (once they've had a chance to analyze the data a bit more).

Seeing how you don't understand how GDP is calculated, it doesn't really make much difference, right?

Economically amusing.....

Mircea

[Arjay51]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Republican logic, if it doesnt fix the problem 100%, then we shouldnt try it at all.

Liberal logic: if it doesn't fix or significantly effect the problem, just continue to raise taxes. That'll take care of it.

[Arjay51]

Originally Posted by Fancy-Schmancy

Many of those '30 million' live in states where the GOP governor and/or legislatures refused to implement the program...largely for political reasons.

Love how the GOP take something they are failing to do and make it everyone else's problem.

Since you seem so sure that this system is so great and what all the people want/deserve why not have a national referendum (vote, up or down) on it? That, not your protestations, would supply the answer, not your proclamations.

[Arjay51]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

Significant changes in the ACA roll out and implementation beget significant changes in the cost analysis. I don't know why that would surprise anyone.

In other words, change it from the law that was passed into something entirely different without even informing the people of what the failures are that are causing these "significant changes"?

How liberal of them and you.

[borregokid]

To put things in persepective the other government programs that conservatives support Medicare, Tricare, VA and Medicaid for seniors will cost about $750 billion dollars this year. The ACA will cost about $43 billion. Medicare and VA will continue to climb in cost and the cost per recipient will be double what the ACA in the $10,000 per year range. Medicare is not covered by payroll taxes. Every Medicare recipient gets about a $4,000 per year subsidy regardless of income. Wait till the boomers start hitting the Medicare rolls..no one wants to look at that. Lets repeal the ACA and bank that $43 billion and everything will be ok.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Republican logic, if it doesnt fix the problem 100%, then we shouldnt try it at all.

Last time I checked obama stated "under his plan all Americans would be covered."
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Don't let facts get in the way...

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

I trust no CBO numbers and no budget numbers from Washington.

I do know they spend more then they take in and taking care of more people will not reduce debts.

[LordBalfor]

Originally Posted by Mircea

...Seeing how you don't understand how GDP is calculated, it doesn't really make much difference, right?

Economically amusing.....

Mircea

LOL

Learn the difference between GDP and GDP growth rates then get back to me.

Still think the GDP growth rate was actually negative for 2 quarters in a row?

Ken

[Marv101]

^^^^That's Obamanoimics for you plain and simple!

His Wall Street buddies are swimming in dough while everybody else is drowning in an underwater economy except for the going-like-gangbusters automobile industry.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

Last time I checked obama stated "under his plan all Americans would be covered."
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Don't let facts get in the way...

Not only covered but covered for less money with better coverage. Oh, and you can keep your doctor.