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Old 06-10-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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I find the knee jerk reactions to mass shootings minimizing many other factors.
Obviously the perpetrators feel a disconnect from society. The question is why?
Guns have always been available. Mental issues have always been here.

I think the perpetrators feel an extreme disconnect and act on it.

WHAT are some other reasons for mass shootings.

Can we leave the "gun control" or "mental health" responses out of this thread?

 
Old 06-10-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I think it's becoming a cultural thing like suicides in some Asian cultures. It started with columbine. Guns were probably even more available a few decades ago but school shootings were rare or unheard of. Medications might play a role too, which is something that should be studied.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I find the knee jerk reactions to mass shootings minimizing many other factors.
Obviously the perpetrators feel a disconnect from society. The question is why?
Guns have always been available. Mental issues have always been here.

I think the perpetrators feel an extreme disconnect and act on it.

WHAT are some other reasons for mass shootings.

Can we leave the "gun control" or "mental health" responses out of this thread?
We are seeing the results of raising children in a world where it is nearly illegal to discipline them and where everyone gets a trophy just for participating. These kids weren't taught that their actions have consequences, and they weren't prepared for the real world - where you don't get a prize just for showing up.

Basically, 20 or so years ago we started raising entitlement minded twits, and now that these kids are realizing that they've been lied to for their entire lives the very people who support these idiotic policies are scratching their heads and wondering why young people are so angry.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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We are seeing the results of raising children in a world where it is nearly illegal to discipline them and where everyone gets a trophy just for participating. These kids weren't taught that their actions have consequences, and they weren't prepared for the real world - where you don't get a prize just for showing up.

Basically, 20 or so years ago we started raising entitlement minded twits, and now that these kids are realizing that they've been lied to for their entire lives the very people who support these idiotic policies are scratching their heads and wondering why young people are so angry.
Is it possible technology can cause a lack of empathy or belonging?

I don't think getting a participation trophy turns people into mass shooters.

The change in families may have something to do with it. Perhaps not enough connection with an adult or parent or close family member?
 
Old 06-10-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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I think it's becoming a cultural thing like suicides in some Asian cultures. It started with columbine. Guns were probably even more available a few decades ago but school shootings were rare or unheard of. Medications might play a role too, which is something that should be studied.
Our culture is violent and for some reason schools are the target. I think our society has always been barbarous --Salem Witch Trials etc.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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Copy cats. Its their way of getting their 15 mins of fame. Most of these mass shooters are losers, overall and in general. Never amounted to much in their lives and know/knew they never would. However, shoot up a school and they will forever be remembered. Some even worshipped, ala The Columbine Shooters.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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Discussing mass shootings without being able to bring up guns is like discussing fishing without being able to bring up fish.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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We are seeing the results of raising children in a world where it is nearly illegal to discipline them and where everyone gets a trophy just for participating. These kids weren't taught that their actions have consequences, and they weren't prepared for the real world - where you don't get a prize just for showing up.

Basically, 20 or so years ago we started raising entitlement minded twits, and now that these kids are realizing that they've been lied to for their entire lives the very people who support these idiotic policies are scratching their heads and wondering why young people are so angry.
I think you have it 100% right! I have schoolteachers in my family who hate their jobs because it is impossible to discipline kids without parent's getting in their faces.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 05:23 PM
 
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I think you have it 100% right! I have schoolteachers in my family who hate their jobs because it is impossible to discipline kids without parent's getting in their faces.
Doesn't add up. No evidence.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I find the knee jerk reactions to mass shootings minimizing many other factors.
Obviously the perpetrators feel a disconnect from society. The question is why?
Guns have always been available. Mental issues have always been here.

I think the perpetrators feel an extreme disconnect and act on it.

WHAT are some other reasons for mass shootings.

Can we leave the "gun control" or "mental health" responses out of this thread?
That would be nice, wouldn't it?

I think when people try to place all the blame on mental illness, in particular, they are usually trying to do one of two things: 1) shut down any conversation about gun control, which they oppose, or 2) shift the conversation away from the ideologies that drove the killers, which they often share. And sometimes, they are trying to do both.

Not every bitter, resentful, entitled 22-year-old virgin goes on a shooting spree. But anyone who listened to Elliot Rodger's YouTube rants, or read his so-called "manifesto," must see he was deeply steeped in the rancid misogyny of the PUA culture. Rodger may not have had any actual accomplices, but he had many like-minded thinkers.

Likewise, Jared and Amanda Miller seem to have been just as deeply steeped in the far-right, gun-loving, government-hating "patriot" culture. And, as in the case of Rodger, few members of that culture ever actually kill anyone. But they do promote a set of ideas that provide a rationalization for those who do kill.
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