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Old 06-06-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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Why can't you explain HOW the law is being misinterpreted? I've read the law many times; it's being interpreted and applied exactly in accordance with it intent and language.

Why not just say what you mean - that you disagree with the law and don't think that people deserve protections based on their sexual orientation.
It is not being applied or interpreted correctly, Religious Rights are protected under the law as well (or at least they USED to be), gay activists and their "progressive" lap dogs are deliberately twisting the law to discriminate against Christian business owners. There is no point in trying to explain this to you again, you do not want to have a discussion or debate, you just try to deflect every argument presented and dance around it.

I never said or believe such a thing, stop with the fallacious attacks. Of course gay people deserve equal legal protections, but so do religious people, you cannot violate one and support the other. If this was truly about tolerance the gay couple would have said,"Okay, we respect your Christian beliefs, we will go to one of the other several HUNDRED other bakeries in the area and get a cake made for our wedding there".

 
Old 06-06-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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I'd say he needs to seek council and challenge the law. Its pretty easy to find Pro Bono now days on such issues.Or defy the law and let them try to collect or put in jail. If no jail time in law then epopel owes thousands of dollars they never pay courts. In most cases you have automatic appeal to higher courts also. They can go to another baker. Here business has right to refuse service and that is what people do for many reasons.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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The anti-discriminatory law is being deliberately misinterpreted to allow discrimination of one group of people (a large segment of the population mind you) by a fascist militant lifestyle group (who are a very small minority). This has happened before....where was it? Oh yeah, once upon a time in The Third Reich a small, militant fascist group took over the Government and violently bullied a large segment of the population (Jews) out of business. History repeats it's self, so sad that so many do not learn from it.

Devout Jews do not serve people on Saturdays as it would violate their religious beliefs, it is no different than a Christian refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding as it violates his religious beliefs. Both are protected under their God given 1st Amendment Right to do so, and you have no right to tread on their Religious Liberties and use the Government to FORCE them to do something against their beliefs. Should the Government FORCE devout Jews to bake a cake for someone on The Sabbath? Should the Government FORCE someone to bake a cake for a gay wedding? This country was founded against that very thing!
Jews made up less than one percent of the German population in pre-war Germany. The "No Jews allowed" signs in businesses were more equivalent to these "Christians" having, "No gays served here" declarations like this baker. I am not implying that these "Christians" want to do the same thing as the Nazis or at least I hope not...

This guy has had it explained already why not serving on your Sabbath is not the same thing. Cheers!
 
Old 06-06-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Here business has right to refuse service and that is what people do for many reasons.
False.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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It is not being applied or interpreted correctly, Religious Rights are protected under the law as well (or at least they USED to be), gay activists and their "progressive" lap dogs are deliberately twisting the law to discriminate against Christian business owners. There is no point in trying to explain this to you again, you do not want to have a discussion or debate, you just try to deflect every argument presented and dance around it.
You've explained nothing. You just keep stating, without any supporting evidence or argument, that Colorado's anti-discrimination law is being deliberately misinterpret and misapplied.

Question: Have you even read Colorado's anti-discrimination statutes?

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I never said or believe such a thing, stop with the fallacious attacks. Of course gay people deserve equal legal protections, but so do religious people, you cannot violate one and support the other.
And this law gives people equal protection both when it comes to sexual orientation and religion. If you sell a product, then you can't refuse to sell it to that person because he is straight, gay, bisexual, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

And your notion that this law should not be applicable to the business because what gay people do violates the bakers religious beliefs is untenable. That's anarchy. Anybody could get out of any law by saying it violated something he believes in.

As the great Antonin Scalia said:

"Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. . . . Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself."
 
Old 06-06-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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This isn't discrimination against gays, it's against gay marriage, which isn't even legal in CO. He is not discriminating against the customers but he just doesn't want to create this item for that event. He offered the customers other products but they went running to the nanny state to tattle. His lawyer said he should be able to choose not to lend his artistry to what events he does not want to participate in.

He was willing to sell these men cupcakes for their party or other baked goods. It just doesn't seem like discrimination if a business owner chooses not to do every single thing the customer demands, but is happy to work with the customer to do other things.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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to the canadian chick

may i ask why these people wont just go to some "non biggoted" establishment

is there only one baker-bakery in town like on tv?

noone else knows how to make a gay cake?

gays feel good giving their money to 'homophobes'?

people always skip over this lil idea of going somewhere else that treats you with respect

and when its all said and done the outraged gay people that had a cake atrocity commited against them still have no cake from that guy

so what was the point, to hopefully embarass the baker? to make some kinda point
 
Old 06-06-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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These attacks have to stop! If gays want their rights to be respected than they need to stop treading on the rights of others
They aren't. Just because you guys wish businesses had the right to discriminate doesn't mean they actually do. The right you claim is being violated does not exist in that particular state. The government is not your mommy, it is not obliged to give you your way or do anything to keep you from being upset or sad.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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to the canadian chick

may i ask why these people wont just go to some "non biggoted" establishment

is there only one baker-bakery in town like on tv?

noone else knows how to make a gay cake?

gays feel good giving their money to 'homophobes'?

people always skip over this lil idea of going somewhere else that treats you with respect

and when its all said and done the outraged gay people that had a cake atrocity commited against them still have no cake from that guy

so what was the point, to hopefully embarass the baker? to make some kinda point
They shouldn't have to...especially in light of the fact that these bakers are hiding behind their bibles as justification for their bigotry.
They make divorce cakes, cakes for dog weddings, cakes for stem cell research, cakes for adulterers of every stripe. Many work on the Sabbath. However, as soon as it's a gay involved, they suddenly get religious and get their Old-Timey panties in a wad.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
 
Old 06-06-2014, 01:49 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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They shouldn't have to...especially in light of the fact that these bakers are hiding behind their bibles as justification for their bigotry.
They make divorce cakes, cakes for dog weddings, cakes for stem cell research, cakes for adulterers of every stripe. Many work on the Sabbath. However, as soon as it's a gay involved, they suddenly get religious and get their Old-Timey panties in a wad.
The hypocrisy is astounding.

You're right. Out of human decency they shouldn't have to. But let's face it, some people are just a-holes! I still support freedom of association, even if I don't necessarily agree with his stance. And if the guy really felt that weird about doing it, then he could have come up with a better excuse...."hey I'm overbooked" Done. No controversy.
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