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Old 06-09-2014, 11:45 AM
 
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"Yes, so cut out the welfare already," said the Republicans.
"You guys hate the poor!!! You have no heart!!!" said the Democrats.
The Democrats aren't perfect, but they do have a record of attempting to improve the situations of the poor. The Republicans think cutting welfare will work. Reforming welfare did nothing to improve the situations of the poor. It doesn't work. A lot of folks below the poverty line are working. Welfare does nothing to improve their situation. But, lets keep campaigning on repealing the minimum wage, cutting taxes on the 1%, and repealing "regulations" (which no one can ever identify specifically).

 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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You live in a rich area in Connecticut where you are never in contact with poor people except maybe your gardener or housekeeper or maid..
I lived (past tense) in a middle class, largely blue collar Ct suburb. There are just a handful of wealthy towns out of 169 total municipalities.

PS: I cut the grass, and my sister and mothger tended to the flowers. No on in my entire neighborhood had hired help.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Deflection.
Facts aren't deflection. You just don't like the facts.

Obama's deliberately impoverishing the coal industry states and the states in which he refuses to deport illegal aliens.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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By the way, you still haven't answered the question... What's your plan for paying to support all those additional people, 70% of which are likely to need some or several forms of public assistance for life?
Simple question to answer: more taxes for the rich!!! Duh!!!
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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The fact remains that those receiving public assistance have a birth rate 3 times higher than those who don't. Census data and citations here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/32045595-post217.html

The birth rates of both groups should be equal. Instead, they're wildly disproportional.

So Medicaid is a program for SOME of the poor - for favored subsets of the poor - and not for "the poor" generally. THAT was my nitpick.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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This is 100% true.

Since it is a true statement, why do conservatives wish to keep people poor and ignorant? Don't we want to lower the amount of "welfare babies" ?
That's actually Democrats.

Minorities have a higher poverty rate. Democrats are the ones who insist on keeping minority children trapped in their abysmally performing public schools.

Let's review how minority adults feel about school vouchers:
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"Pro-voucher voters among racial minorities overwhelmingly support Barack Obama, but they are baffled by the Democratic nominee's opposition to vouchers. They also say they are frustrated that Democratic leaders appear to be more concerned about keeping the peace with teachers unions -- which adamantly oppose vouchers -- than about finding alternatives that could advance desperately needed education reforms for minority students.

...Public opinion polls also show solid support for school vouchers among minority parents. Sixty-five percent of adult African-Americans and 63 percent of adult Hispanics favor the use of vouchers, according to a national survey conducted earlier this year under the auspices of the journal Education Next and the Program on Education Policy and Governance at Harvard University. In the survey, more than half of minority adults gave higher marks to their local police than their public schools.

"There is no doubt that on this issue, ...Obama has it wrong," Martin wrote."
Education Reform - Obama Questioned On Vouchers

Obama, Dems wrong to kill school vouchers - CNN.com

But, hey... keep voting for Democrats and their forced educational and therefore socioeconomic oppression of minorities and their children. ...Just don't expect minorities' socioeconomic status to improve. At all.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Facts aren't deflection. You just don't like the facts.
Facts mean nothing if you can't interpret them. I can help you in that department. You are under some mistaken belief that being black causes one to be poor, when the statistics actually show that blacks are predisposed to being born poor.

I'm more than willing to work with you on interpreting data.

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Simple question to answer: more taxes for the rich!!! Duh!!!
They are paying lower rates than much of the developed world, and the lowest rates in the last ~80 years. Why wouldn't we tax the rich?
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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So Medicaid is a program for SOME of the poor - for favored subsets of the poor -
Yes, for the poor who function as little more than human breeders.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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That's actually Democrats.

Minorities have a higher poverty rate. Democrats are the ones who insist on keeping minority children trapped in their abysmally performing public schools.
Republican solutions? Where are they?

Those Democrats also control states with higher rates of economic mobility, household income, high school and college education graduation rates. They also have lower rates of poverty, teen pregnancy, smoking, and obesity.

My comment stands. Why are Republicans intent on keeping their poor down?
 
Old 06-09-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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The Democrats aren't perfect, but they do have a record of attempting to improve the situations of the poor. The Republicans think cutting welfare will work. Reforming welfare did nothing to improve the situations of the poor. It doesn't work. A lot of folks below the poverty line are working. Welfare does nothing to improve their situation. But, lets keep campaigning on repealing the minimum wage, cutting taxes on the 1%, and repealing "regulations" (which no one can ever identify specifically).
I have concluded long time ago that the Liberals are either delusional or deliberately vicious or both. Either way it's not good.

Exhibit A - the minimum wage law

Passing policies that are not even mathematically sound is not wise. Whom are you kidding when you pass the minimum wage law? Where do you think the extra money would come to cover the wage increase? From the air? Do you really expect the businesses would simply fork out the money from nowhere?

Exhibit B - the illegal immigrants

We have millions of citizens unemployed but somehow we need to let tens of millions more into the country. The poor are already struggling and fighting for jobs but adding 50 millions of competitors would help them? By the way, once you legalize those illegals, don't they also want to be paid at the minimum wage than the $2/hour they are paid now? When they can't find jobs, are you need more money to pay for their welfare???

If any of you come out and tell me:"Screw the poor. We just want to remain in power because we know those illegals would vote for us." I at least applaud that you are honest and sane.
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