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Old 06-11-2014, 12:17 AM
 
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If the Obama administration had aided the more moderate resistance fighters in Syria, then the ISIS may not have become the most powerful resistance fighter group in Syria, or would have spread in Iraq. Even the Obama administration or the West did not give any significant aid to the moderate resistance groups after it was proven Assad used chemical weapons.

Yet America and the West have largely been passive regarding the situation of Syria and doing little to have aided the more moderate forces there.
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:27 AM
 
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Mission Accomplished Mr President
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:06 AM
 
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If those people want theocracy they will have it. It they want bloodshed, they will have it. There is nothing America and do and it isn't our problem.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:20 AM
 
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Well it may not be Americas problem now but Mehdi Nemmouche who killed several people at the Jewish museum in Belgium a few weeks ago did train a year with that organisation. There are at least a few thousand people from Western countries that are fighting with that organisation.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:26 AM
 
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Slowly, slowly...................................

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The US government is considering sending emergency military supplies to Iraq after rebel fighters took control of Mosul, according to senior Western security sources. Supplies including Hellfire missiles and ScanEagle unmanned Drones are expected to be airlifted to the country very soon and more weaponry such as artillery may follow.

However, CIA officers have been helping the Iraqi armed forces defend themselves during recent fierce fighting with Sunni insurgents, according to a number of intelligence and diplomatic sources.

The Pentagon has admitted that it had sent a small special forces group to Jordan to train military units, as well as those from Iraq, in the last two months. But the numbers of trainees being sent by Baghdad have been reduced because they are needed for combat, according to security sources.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...q-9523577.html

Iraq security forces (police and military) are dropping their uniforms and fleeing. American military equipment has been seized and being sent to Syria. If the Iraqis couldn't hold on to the equipment seized, how the hell are they going to hold on to emergency military supplies the government is contemplating to send (missiles and drones) to Iraq?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/10/wo...iraq-violence/

..............................boots on the ground to fight in Iraq.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:02 AM
 
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Default Al Qaeda Militants Capture US Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

This won't end well.

Al Qaeda Militants Capture US Black Hawk Helicopters In Iraq

Oh, wait... All's well... Obama said al Qaeda is on the run.


Obama drops al Qaeda 'on the run' line from stump speech - YouTube
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:52 AM
 
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If the Obama administration had aided the more moderate resistance fighters in Syria, then the ISIS may not have become the most powerful resistance fighter group in Syria, or would have spread in Iraq. Even the Obama administration or the West did not give any significant aid to the moderate resistance groups after it was proven Assad used chemical weapons.
The moderates had been substantially sidelined by the time Assad is alleged to have used chemical weapons, McCain's photo ops notwithstanding--which is why public opinion in the U.S. ran about 8-1 against intervention.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:58 AM
 
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Just a little "going away" celebration.....
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:01 AM
 
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Saddam was a secular Arab nationalist who opposed Islamic fundamentalism...........
The US and Britain have a deep history in being involved in the transition of secularism to Islamism in the Arab world. These secular dictators were a threat to Western oil interest.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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So is history repeating itself with the implications of the US withdraw, as demonstrated in Vietnam in the 1970s?
If what you mean by that is something like "involving ourselves in other people's wars makes things ten times worse for us and a hundred times worse for them", I would agree. I'm not sure that is what you are saying.

The problem in Iraq is not that we left it, but that we invaded it.
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