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Tell that to the families of the two decent, honorable, Christian, police officers who were shot dead for no other reason than volunteering to serve their communities and keep others safe from crime. Murdering anyone is wrong.
Indeed. The right wing will rationalize all manner of antisocial sentiment to seek to legitimize the egregious behavior they want to engage in.
Tell that to the families of the two decent, honorable, Christian, police officers who were shot dead for no other reason than volunteering to serve their communities and keep others safe from crime. Murdering anyone is wrong.
First, you have no damn clue whether or not these guys were decent, honorable, Christians who only wanted to serve their communities. So please stop with the bull crap. They could have been control-freak scumbag sociopath bullies, just like most other police officers.
Killing someone is wrong as long as it isn't being done in defense of yourself or others.
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Indeed. The right wing will rationalize all manner of antisocial sentiment to seek to legitimize the egregious behavior they want to engage in.
I hate to sound like a jerk, but I am embarrassed to be breathing the same air as you two. I have no clue what in the hell you are even talking about. In no way is murder and revolution the same thing. To believe otherwise is to call George Washington a murderer. It is to call the minutemen at Lexington and Concord murderers.
This is what revolution means.. "a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed."
The simple act of renouncing your government is considered by definition "revolution".
Now, I'm not trying to argue about the right to revolution, because there is no point in arguing about it. People have the right to revolution. Period. It isn't even up for debate. If you didn't have a right to revolution, then you would be a slave, with no right whatsoever to throw off your masters chains.
Furthermore, if it wasn't a right, then America wouldn't even exist. Because only through our natural right to revolution were we able to declare our independence from Britain to begin with.
The problem with government, is that all governments necessarily strip away some of your natural rights. Of course the idea is that, you are trading some of your "rights" so that the government will protect the rest of your rights.
Of course, then the question is, how much of your rights is the government allowed to take? And what recourse do you have if you disagree with how many rights they are taking away?
The basic justification for the legitimacy of government, is that it is by the "consent of the governed". But at what point in your life did you ever give your consent to be governed? And what if you don't give your consent?
The real question here, is whether or not what these people did actually constitutes revolution or murder. Did they shoot them supposedly in the name of defending the natural rights of themselves and others(IE, the reason Americans fought the revolutionary War). Or did they shoot them only because they hated the police?
In my opinion, at best they were the equivalent of foreign militants who were waging war against the United States and lost. And at worst, they were crazy murderers.
Thus, I either find them to be somewhat similar to the Muslim guy who shot up Fort Hood in 2009. Or I find them to be somewhat similar to the Puerto Rican guy who shot up Fort Hood in 2014.
The first may have been evil, but at least he had a point and purpose. The other was just a crazy murderer.
While I hesitate to accuse specific people of specific criminal actions, there is no question that RWNJs foster the sickness in our society that leads to many terrible outcomes, and generally foster the kind of sordid ignorance among their adherents that leads to a tendency toward getting one's way with violence rather than accepting the realities associated with the fact that one lives in society with others.
So, since you seem to be the resident right hater, can you answer my question, not a single counter part of yours has been able to do this....
What laws would you like to impose that are sensible and would be prosecuted by the GOV?
Now, saying that, your buddy the vp, says they don't have time to prosecute a FEDERAL law that is already in place (that deals with buying guns). What makes you think more laws would help?
Go ahead, I'll wait....I've been waiting for several weeks with the same question, I'm pretty sure I'll be waiting here also.
So what do you think of what happened in Las Vegas? Don't hold back... seems they were exercising their right to start a revolution?
This thread is basically a demonstration that conservative gun nuts think like the Millers and support their murderous actions. Not that this is surprising...
Haha....only an uniformed leftist would even say anything like that!
Explain these, and we know you support everyone of them because, well, you are a leftist...
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* September 2009: The discovery of hanged census-taker Bill Sparkman in rural Kentucky fueled media speculation that he’d been killed by anti-government Tea Partiers. In fact, he’d killed himself and staged his corpse to look like a homicide so his family could collect on life insurance.
* February 2010: Joe Stack flew his small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas. The media immediately suggested that the anti-tax rhetoric of the Tea Party led to the attack. In fact, Stack’s suicide note quoted the Communist Manifesto.
* That same month, a professor at the University of Alabama, Amy Bishop, shot and killed three colleagues at a faculty meeting. The gun-loving Tea Party came under immediate suspicion. But Bishop was a lifelong Democrat and Obama donor.
* March 2010: John Patrick Bedell shot two Pentagon security officers at close range. The media went wild with speculation that a right-wing extremist had reached the end of his rope. Bedell turned out to be a registered Democrat and 9/11 Truther.
* May 2010: New York authorities disarmed a massive car bomb in Times Square. Mayor Bloomberg immediately speculated that the bomber was someone upset about the president’s new health-care law. The media trumpeted the idea that crazed conservatives had (again, they implied) turned to violence. In fact, the perp was Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic extremist.
* August 2010: Amidst the debate over the Ground Zero Mosque, Michael Enright stabbed a Muslim cab driver in the neck. It was immediately dubbed an “anti-Muslim stabbing,” with “rising Islamophobia” on the political right to blame. In fact, Enright, a left-leaning art student, had worked with a firm that produced a pro-mosque statement.
* September 2010: James Lee, 43, took three hostages at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters in Maryland. The media speculation was unstoppable: Lee was surely a “climate-change denier” who’d resorted to violence. Oops: He was an environmentalist who viewed humans as parasites on the Earth.
* January 2011: Jared Lee Loughner went on a rampage in Tucson, Ariz. Again the media knew just who to blame: the Tea Party and its extremist rhetoric. In fact, Loughner was mostly apolitical — a conspiracy theorist who, to date, has been judged too mentally incompetent to stand trial.
The media’s habitual blaming of the political right is endemic and incurable. Media figures sincerely believe the right wing is violent, so naturally assume that violent people must be right-wing. This won’t be the last time they make that mistake.
watch out...you'll get the self morality crap from buu....
However buu why do you support the following? Yes, these are your fellow lefties trying to spin the tea party as bad....among other things....
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* September 2009: The discovery of hanged census-taker Bill Sparkman in rural Kentucky fueled media speculation that he’d been killed by anti-government Tea Partiers. In fact, he’d killed himself and staged his corpse to look like a homicide so his family could collect on life insurance.
* February 2010: Joe Stack flew his small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas. The media immediately suggested that the anti-tax rhetoric of the Tea Party led to the attack. In fact, Stack’s suicide note quoted the Communist Manifesto.
* That same month, a professor at the University of Alabama, Amy Bishop, shot and killed three colleagues at a faculty meeting. The gun-loving Tea Party came under immediate suspicion. But Bishop was a lifelong Democrat and Obama donor.
* March 2010: John Patrick Bedell shot two Pentagon security officers at close range. The media went wild with speculation that a right-wing extremist had reached the end of his rope. Bedell turned out to be a registered Democrat and 9/11 Truther.
* May 2010: New York authorities disarmed a massive car bomb in Times Square. Mayor Bloomberg immediately speculated that the bomber was someone upset about the president’s new health-care law. The media trumpeted the idea that crazed conservatives had (again, they implied) turned to violence. In fact, the perp was Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic extremist.
* August 2010: Amidst the debate over the Ground Zero Mosque, Michael Enright stabbed a Muslim cab driver in the neck. It was immediately dubbed an “anti-Muslim stabbing,” with “rising Islamophobia” on the political right to blame. In fact, Enright, a left-leaning art student, had worked with a firm that produced a pro-mosque statement.
* September 2010: James Lee, 43, took three hostages at the Discovery Channel’s headquarters in Maryland. The media speculation was unstoppable: Lee was surely a “climate-change denier” who’d resorted to violence. Oops: He was an environmentalist who viewed humans as parasites on the Earth.
* January 2011: Jared Lee Loughner went on a rampage in Tucson, Ariz. Again the media knew just who to blame: the Tea Party and its extremist rhetoric. In fact, Loughner was mostly apolitical — a conspiracy theorist who, to date, has been judged too mentally incompetent to stand trial.
The media’s habitual blaming of the political right is endemic and incurable. Media figures sincerely believe the right wing is violent, so naturally assume that violent people must be right-wing. This won’t be the last time they make that mistake.
After the shooting Fox News completely ignored the story. Sean Hannity and Bill O completely ignored the shootings. Megyn Kelly was the only host to mention the shooting. There really isnt any shortage of right wing inspired violence.
I don't think guns make society dangerous. I think society has made guns dangerous. All the kids taking behavior modifying drugs has resulted a lot of adolescent and young adult whackos. Kids who have been called ADD have been counseled, drugged, and otherwise maneuvered into semi-psychotic states where violent behavior is almost inevitable.
The whole drug/counseling/therapy regime should be replaced with firm discipline and corporal punishment. When we had these, children, adolescents and young adults were all much better adjusted.
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