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Old 06-13-2014, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There's the fricking NIPPC work found HERE

Settled science indeed. Nor like your and your ilk will ever read it.
I've read it and reject it, because it is nothing but a blog connected to the Heartland Institute bought and paid for by the fossil fuel interests....Huge fail on your part.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:09 AM
 
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you do also realize that 125,000 yearsa ago the global mean temperature was WARMER than today dont you? you also do realize that 75,000 years ago the world was forced into an ice with the eruption of the super volcano toba right?
So what? That has nothing to do with what is happening today.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:14 AM
 
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So what? That has nothing to do with what is happening today.
actually yes it does, we know it was warmer then by ten degrees, and yet humans thrived, in fact two humanoid species were running around the planet at the time. after the eruption of toba, we lost one whole species, and nearly both species, but the fact that two humanoid species were thriving until 75,000 years ago in hotter temperatures than to day tells us that we also can survive the hotter temps. but you wouldnt figure that because it doesnt fit your agenda.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Actually most AGW deniers are saying exactly that.

Are you really willing to risk your grandchildren's future on your belief that all those scientists are wrong?

A lot of the prediction are happening now, like increased flooding in some areas, drought in others, more intense heat waves, melting ice, rising sea levels, etc....These are indisputable facts, and there has been no pause in warming...That is a lie.
False
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Do you know what effect that had on the temperature of the planet?....During the last interglacial period, 125,000 years ago, sea level was at least several meters higher than at present, so what do you suppose it was the last time CO2 was 7000ppm during the Cambrian period?

So you are saying that climate scientists are alarmists?...Do I have that right?



I'm saying talk is cheap...

Global warming 'hiatus' puts climate change scientists on the spot - Los Angeles Times
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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actually yes it does, we know it was warmer then by ten degrees, and yet humans thrived, in fact two humanoid species were running around the planet at the time. after the eruption of toba, we lost one whole species, and nearly both species, but the fact that two humanoid species were thriving until 75,000 years ago in hotter temperatures than to day tells us that we also can survive the hotter temps. but you wouldnt figure that because it doesnt fit your agenda.
You cannot be serious...Do you actually think that the condtions that existed then would have no effect on today's civilization? I am not saying that humans will be wiped out by entirely by a hotter world, but even you have to admit that there would be tremendous costs economically and in lives lost. We can't even provide enough food for the people alive today.... Today about 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes. How many would that be when the food supply shrinks because of global warming?

The idea that humans nearly became extinct 75,000 ago because of a super-volcano eruption is not supported by new data from Africa, scientists say. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22355515

How many humans do you think existed then? I'll wager that it was less than a million....You deniers do not take population growth into account when you use the past to support your views do you?

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Old 06-13-2014, 05:27 AM
 
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Hurricane Cristina Just Set A Scary Record | Mother Jones perhaps some of the deniers out there can help explain this?
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:05 AM
 
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You cannot be serious...Do you actually think that the condtions that existed then would have no effect on today's civilization? I am not saying that humans will be wiped out by entirely by a hotter world, but even you have to admit that there would be tremendous costs economically and in lives lost. We can't even provide enough food for the people alive today.... Today about 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes. How many would that be when the food supply shrinks because of global warming?

The idea that humans nearly became extinct 75,000 ago because of a super-volcano eruption is not supported by new data from Africa, scientists say. BBC News - Toba super-volcano catastrophe idea 'dismissed'

How many humans do you think existed then? I'll wager that it was less than a million....You deniers do not take population growth into account when you use the past to support your views do you?
perhaps you havent heard of this thing we call technology. it is a wonderful thing that lets man adapt to his environment with far better alacrity than his predecessors did. first off warmer climates mean more land available for farming that would otherwise not be arable. imagine wheat and corn fields in northern canada for instance.

and then there is always hydroponic farming, a fairly old technology to be sure, but one that is quite useful and water efficient. and then there is a neat new technology called airponics, where the planets not only not sit in soil, they dont even sit in water. they just get a nutrient rich mist of water from time to time, and that is even more water efficient.

so man can use technology to adapt to the environment as needed.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas
Oh gee, another apocalyptic, hand wringing, arm waving desperate plea to "do something" about a problem that has stopped 17 years ago.

For myself, I will continue to burn my trash, drive whatever car I please, refuse to use the airlines and fly my leaded fuel burning airplane and heat my home with wood.

Man will adapt with whatever the climate has to throw at us whether it cooks or freezes. Nothing can or will be done.

If the apocalyptic message is true and I stress "IF".
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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Hurricane Cristina Just Set A Scary Record | Mother Jones perhaps some of the deniers out there can help explain this?
Yeah, El Nino.

Happens all the time.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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I've read it and reject it, because it is nothing but a blog connected to the Heartland Institute bought and paid for by the fossil fuel interests....Huge fail on your part.
But alarmist studies predicated on billions of dollars of government funding never give you the slightest pause, right?
All of the pro AGW scientists are truly conducting totally impartial science with no prejudice towards any particular outcome in your view.
You reject a study, not for it's content or it's merit but based upon who published it.
The Heartland Institute could claim that they sky is blue or 1+1=2 and people like you would find reasons to contend it.
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