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Denying assistance to the government in Egypt, so that they are now forced to get military support from Russia.
Denying assistance to the government in Iraq, so that they are now forced to get military support from Iran.
Yup, Obama working hard at making America an untrustworthy and irrelevant ally
Backing military dictators (like Egypt's al-Sissi) and ethnic strongmen (Mr Karzi in Afganistan , or Mr Malliki in Iraq ) or who use brutal force or corrupt practices to supress their own people does not make us the good guys in the eyes of the people who are being killed, jailed or discriminated against. We also don't make a good impresion maintaining a political prisoner camp on Cuban soil. One also needs to grasp the fact that whan a few thousand insurgents can seize a large chunk of territory and a large city like just what happened in Iraq. One is seeing that the people who live there put up no resistence and if anything welcomed these guys into their homes and communities as liberators not invaders! Notice these ISiS people had an easier time of it than when our troops went in in 2003 and these people and the people they just liberated will fight when Iran and the Shia forces try to take the territory back. We have no business being in this fight and Obama is wise enough to understand this . As for the Iranians good luck you are going to need it.
Bush was a failure and so is Obama. At some point Obama has to accept responsibility for the failures of his own administration. This thread is in regard to Obama and not GWB.
What failures? Going off and getting a few thousand more Americans killed and another 100,000 Americans crippled for life either physically , mentally or psychologically like you Republicans seem to want?
Backing military dictators (like Egypt's al-Sissi) and ethnic strongmen (Mr Karzi in Afganistan , or Mr Malliki in Iraq ) or who use brutal force or corrupt practices to supress their own people does not make us the good guys in the eyes of the people who are being killed, jailed or discriminated against. We also don't make a good impresion maintaining a political prisoner camp on Cuban soil. One also needs to grasp the fact that whan a few thousand insurgents can seize a large chunk of territory and a large city like just what happened in Iraq. One is seeing that the people who live there put up no resistence and if anything welcomed these guys into their homes and communities as liberators not invaders! Notice these ISiS people had an easier time of it than when our troops went in in 2003 and these people and the people they just liberated will fight when Iran and the Shia forces try to take the territory back. We have no business being in this fight and Obama is wise enough to understand this . As for the Iranians good luck you are going to need it.
Exactly. We are nothing but infidels to the middle east. There is no one to side with they all hate us. Let the islam cult followers kill each other. let's fix and take care of our people and this country first .
Most of the failures actually ARE continuations of Bush's policies, or more precisely, the policies of those who actually control the government and both parties.
But, sure - feel free to live in Tea Party land, where the following facts don't apply:
1) The GOP cut the funding to protect our embassy's, Benghazi included:
Sure, let's ignore that fact and pretend it's all the fault of "liberals."
2) NSA's spying has gone on for years, and the Patriot Act was passed on Bush's watch. Again, more little facts that nobody wants to hear.
3) Starting a war with Russia is not a good idea, but sure - let's start up WW 3 over the Ukraine. Great idea!
4) The Middle East: I'm sorry, but when was the last time, exactly, the US has had a policy here that worked? Are we forgetting a few little wars started under Bush that helped set the current events in motion? Heck, are we forgetting decades of failures - from both parties - that have helped all this unfold?
Obama is no saint, that much is obvious, but it is simply laughable to wave the OP's list around as some sort of "proof" of how bad his foreign policy is when most of the junk mentioned either had nothing to do with him (Benghazi), or are simply the OP's personal rants - "let's start a war with Russia!" Finally, anyone who actually cared about this nation - instead of partisan rants - might want to know why failed foreign policies continue, regardless of which part is in office... but, no - let's not ask any real questions and instead shriek "liberal!!!" and pretend we're having intelligent discussions on this forum.
you know it is a funny thing once a president takes office it is his responsibility what goes on
I have never heard more crying blaming Bush in my life
HEY OBAMA YOU ARE PRESIDENT AND HAVE BEEN FOR 6 YEARS!!!!!
How about getting off the golf course and quit fund raising patting yourself on the back and pandering to you far left WAGO's and honor you oath of office
you lousy piece of shi*
quit aiding and abetting the fuc^ing enemy and take care of THIS country!!!!!
Most of the failures actually ARE continuations of Bush's policies, or more precisely, the policies of those who actually control the government and both parties.
But, sure - feel free to live in Tea Party land, where the following facts don't apply:
1) The GOP cut the funding to protect our embassy's, Benghazi included:
Sure, let's ignore that fact and pretend it's all the fault of "liberals."
2) NSA's spying has gone on for years, and the Patriot Act was passed on Bush's watch. Again, more little facts that nobody wants to hear.
3) Starting a war with Russia is not a good idea, but sure - let's start up WW 3 over the Ukraine. Great idea!
4) The Middle East: I'm sorry, but when was the last time, exactly, the US has had a policy here that worked? Are we forgetting a few little wars started under Bush that helped set the current events in motion? Heck, are we forgetting decades of failures - from both parties - that have helped all this unfold?
Obama is no saint, that much is obvious, but it is simply laughable to wave the OP's list around as some sort of "proof" of how bad his foreign policy is when most of the junk mentioned either had nothing to do with him (Benghazi), or are simply the OP's personal rants - "let's start a war with Russia!" Finally, anyone who actually cared about this nation - instead of partisan rants - might want to know why failed foreign policies continue, regardless of which part is in office... but, no - let's not ask any real questions and instead shriek "liberal!!!" and pretend we're having intelligent discussions on this forum.
"Most of the failures actually ARE continuations of Bush's policies, or more precisely, the policies of those who actually control the government and both parties."
So you are saying Obama is powerless then.
"NSA's spying has gone on for years, and the Patriot Act was passed on Bush's watch. Again, more little facts that nobody wants to hear."
The "little fact" you left out is that Obama broadened it.
you know it is a funny thing once a president takes office it is his responsibility what goes on
I have never heard more crying blaming Bush in my life
HEY OBAMA YOU ARE PRESIDENT AND HAVE BEEN FOR 6 YEARS!!!!!
How about getting off the golf course and quit fund raising patting yourself on the back and pandering to you far left WAGO's and honor you oath of office
you lousy piece of shi*
quit aiding and abetting the fuc^ing enemy and take care of THIS country!!!!!
I can always count on you for Ain't that the damn truth. Well said, even though the naĂŻve will disagree with you, let them, most with a brain in their head, know the scoop.
Everything you stated is true, but more where that came from! He would make a damn good actor wouldn't he.
Exactly. We are nothing but infidels to the middle east. There is no one to side with they all hate us. Let the islam cult followers kill each other. let's fix and take care of our people and this country first .
Muslims don't view us as infidels because we accept that there is but one God the GOD that spoke and tested all our ancesters like Adam, Noah, Lot, Abraham, Moses and all the Prophets at least as far as Issu (Jesus). We accept the 10 Commandments as the basis our Laws or Sharia. Infidel is reserved for people who either don't accept that there is but one GOD or those who do the Devfils work by attacking the Islamic community or trying to make them stray from the Law and the teachings of GOD as given to Mohammed. Real infidels in the Muslim view are Hindus, Chinese or Animists ,secular humanists and atheists(Don't believe in GOD) or evangelical Christians, Jesuits, and Christian crusaders who try to spread false doctrines, kill the faithful and lead Muslims from the path laid out in the Qu'ran. Christians and Jews for most of recorded history of the last 1500 years had a far easier time in the lands of the Islamic world just as long as they didn't try to convert Muslims or kill them. Judism actually flourished in Muslim Spain and in the Levant. One of the greatest Jewish philosophers Maimonides lived in the Lslamic world. When the last outpost in Muslim Spain Granada fell in 1492, Spanish Jews (Sephardic) mostly fled to the Islamic World for safety chosing to avoid the pogroms and massacres usually meted out to Jews in the Christian Europe . Since Muslims do not believe that the Messiah has come and assumed our sins that learning and practicing GODs Law is what man will judged on when the Final Judgement arrives. Muslims believe that Satan is working to make mankind stray from GODs laws and it is the duty of all believers to fight those who are the tools of Satan.
It is the United States' foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East, that is awful. Not Obama himself, nor Bush himself.
Throwing accusations at Republicans or Democrats is a little ridiculous and shows a lack of proper understanding. The USA - all administrations, most senators, every president we've had in decades - needs to reconsider its positions, its alliances with countries that sponsor terrorists like Saudi Arabia, its blind support for Israel, etc.
Most of the failures actually ARE continuations of Bush's policies, or more precisely, the policies of those who actually control the government and both parties.
But, sure - feel free to live in Tea Party land, where the following facts don't apply:
1) The GOP cut the funding to protect our embassy's, Benghazi included:
Sure, let's ignore that fact and pretend it's all the fault of "liberals."
2) NSA's spying has gone on for years, and the Patriot Act was passed on Bush's watch. Again, more little facts that nobody wants to hear.
3) Starting a war with Russia is not a good idea, but sure - let's start up WW 3 over the Ukraine. Great idea!
4) The Middle East: I'm sorry, but when was the last time, exactly, the US has had a policy here that worked? Are we forgetting a few little wars started under Bush that helped set the current events in motion? Heck, are we forgetting decades of failures - from both parties - that have helped all this unfold?
Obama is no saint, that much is obvious, but it is simply laughable to wave the OP's list around as some sort of "proof" of how bad his foreign policy is when most of the junk mentioned either had nothing to do with him (Benghazi), or are simply the OP's personal rants - "let's start a war with Russia!" Finally, anyone who actually cared about this nation - instead of partisan rants - might want to know why failed foreign policies continue, regardless of which part is in office... but, no - let's not ask any real questions and instead shriek "liberal!!!" and pretend we're having intelligent discussions on this forum.
"1) The GOP cut the funding to protect our embassy's, Benghazi included:"
Lol.... thanks for the usual partisan reply.
The State dept. ADMITTED in a Congressional hearing that funding was NOT an issue.
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