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Old 06-26-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Lerner's singling out of a Republican for an audit with absolutely no cause shows her abuse of power. No wonder they burned the evidence, she was out of control and everyone knows it.


I don't know about abuse of her power, I would say ignorance of what she has power to do.
Ignorance of the law, is no defense, or so I'm told.
I seriously don't think she thought what she did was wrong. It was too blatant and out there for all to see.
She was following orders and it had to be legal, they are telling me to do it. If she took it upon herself to do this criminal act, then she need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
If she is an accessory to the crime, she needs to hang right with all the others that went along with it from top to bottom. From IT techs to the pee-on in the mail room.

 
Old 06-26-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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I don't know about abuse of her power, I would say ignorance of what she has power to do.
Ignorance of the law, is no defense, or so I'm told.
I seriously don't think she thought what she did was wrong. It was too blatant and out there for all to see.
She was following orders and it had to be legal, they are telling me to do it. If she took it upon herself to do this criminal act, then she need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
If she is an accessory to the crime, she needs to hang right with all the others that went along with it from top to bottom. From IT techs to the pee-on in the mail room.
I have no doubt the orders came from above. This is why the testimonies have been so defiant and arrogant, they have protection.

Republicans have said they may offer immunity to Lerner in order for her to testify what she knows, but she has to be willing to offer up her sources and not plead the fifth. Personally, I hope they just find the evidence to convict.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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I have no doubt the orders came from above. This is why the testimonies have been so defiant and arrogant, they have protection.

Republicans have said they may offer immunity to Lerner in order for her to testify what she knows, but she has to be willing to offer up her sources and not plead the fifth. Personally, I hope they just find the evidence to convict.
If offered immunity she can't plead the 5th.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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Only 12% of Americans believe the IRS accidentally lost the emails days after Congressman Camp informed the IRS of its law breaking - those people overwhelmingly also strongly approve of Obama's job performance. 76% believe it was deliberately lost.

Best of the Web Today: No Confidence - WSJ

Using public opinions polls is no answer to making decisions or being right.

Exhibit one, Some Americans opposed the War in Iraq and predicted it would be a disaster

The American public on the other had was hugely supportive of the war

A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapons. 19% thought weapons were needed to justify the war.


Now that same American public is hugely against the war and don't think it was worth it.



Just 18 percent of Americans think the result of the war in Iraq was worth the loss of American lives and other costs of attacking Iraq, the lowest percentage ever recorded in CBS News Polls. Seventy-five percent do not think the Iraq War was worth it, up eight percentage points since 2011 (just before all U.S. troops were removed), and up 30 points since August 2003



Now the fact that the American public supported the War didn't stop it from being the disaster that others correctly predicted it would be.

The same thing applies here public opinion doesn't change the insane conspiracy theory conservatives are advancing on that email account.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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If offered immunity she can't plead the 5th.
That's good.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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If offered immunity she can't plead the 5th.
True but she also doesn't have to be honest or forthcoming. She knows now emails are gone forever and no one else is talking. There's nothing that will compel her to be truthful. Testify or not, we will never get the truth.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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True but she also doesn't have to be honest or forthcoming.
Which is why you do not offer immunity unless you know beforehand what her testimony will be.

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She knows now emails are gone forever and no one else is talking. There's nothing that will compel her to be truthful. Testify or not, we will never get the truth.
Prison can change people like her.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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Using public opinions polls is no answer to making decisions or being right.

Exhibit one, Some Americans opposed the War in Iraq and predicted it would be a disaster

The American public on the other had was hugely supportive of the war

A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapons. 19% thought weapons were needed to justify the war.


Now that same American public is hugely against the war and don't think it was worth it.



Just 18 percent of Americans think the result of the war in Iraq was worth the loss of American lives and other costs of attacking Iraq, the lowest percentage ever recorded in CBS News Polls. Seventy-five percent do not think the Iraq War was worth it, up eight percentage points since 2011 (just before all U.S. troops were removed), and up 30 points since August 2003



Now the fact that the American public supported the War didn't stop it from being the disaster that others correctly predicted it would be.

The same thing applies here public opinion doesn't change the insane conspiracy theory conservatives are advancing on that email account.
Of course it isn't concrete evidence. But, you have blinders on. Many Democrats now are murmuring that this is a real scandal and it is reflected in the poll. Only a fool or someone covering their tracks would have insisted that there wasn't a "smidgen" of corruption before all of the evidence is even in the investigators hands and the key witness had been caught lying more than once. Is Obama a fool or covering his tracks?

You want a history lesson?

 
Old 06-26-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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IRS Prematurely 'RETIRED' Data Storage Devices | The Daily Caller

Drip.....Drip.....Drip.....

This is all one big coincidence.....say fools and partisans that put party over principle.
That is all nonsense. They have no idea what they are talking about. The devices involved are clearly not PC hard drives. PC hard drives come in the thousands not the tens. They are talking big disks or tapes or such.

We are finding again that the IRS was not very good at its IT systems. True of half the computer ops in the US if not more.
 
Old 06-26-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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Lerner's singling out of a Republican for an audit with absolutely no cause shows her abuse of power. No wonder they burned the evidence, she was out of control and everyone knows it.
That one went exactly right. Lerner observed a potential violation of the law...discussed it and apparently a conclusion was reached that it should not be pursued. Why is this a bad thing?

You suggest senor IRS officials should ignore law violations they stumble on?
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