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Read that again, "According to the Director, Rulings and Agreements,". That's not what the IG is saying, that's what the IRS was claiming.
This is from the IG clarifying his testimony, I suggest you read it:
That 100% is what is at issue here.
That's clarifies nothing. It shows that both names with progressive and tea party were investigated. Now please show the part in the IG report that says there was a grand conspiracy.
Please continue to read the IG report conservatives need to start using facts and reality.
Here is the recommendations of the IG report: notice how 100% of their recommendation focus on training and mundane process issues. Nothing about some grand conspiracy masterminded to destroy conservatives. Lol
Please conservatives. Please read the IG report. conservatives need some reality.
Recommendation 1: Ensure that the memorandum requiring the Director, Rulings and Agreements, to approve all original entries and changes to criteria included on the BOLO listing prior to implementation be formalized in the appropriate Internal Revenue Manual.
Recommendation 2: Develop procedures to better document the reason(s) applications are chosen for review by the team of specialists (e.g., evidence of specific political campaign intervention in the application file or specific reasons the EO function may have for choosing to review the application further based on past experience).
Recommendation 3: Develop training or workshops to be held before each election cycle including, but not limited to, the proper ways to identify applications that require review of political campaign intervention activities.
Recommendation 4: Develop a process for the Determinations Unit to formally request assistance from the Technical Unit and the Guidance Unit.40 The process should include actions to initiate, track, and monitor requests for assistance to ensure that requests are responded to timely.
Recommendation 5: Develop guidance for specialists on how to process requests for tax-exempt status involving potentially significant political campaign intervention. This guidance should also be posted to the Internet to provide transparency to organizations on the application process.
Recommendation 6: Develop training or workshops to be held before each election cycle including, but not limited to: a) what constitutes political campaign intervention versus general advocacy (including case examples) and b) the ability to refer for follow-up those organizations that may conduct activities in a future year which may cause them to lose their tax-exempt status
Recommendation 7: Provide oversight to ensure that potential political cases, some of which have been in process for three years, are approved or denied expeditiously.
Recommendation 8: Recommend to IRS Chief Counsel and the Department of the Treasury that guidance on how to measure the “primary activity” of I.R.C. § 501(c)(4) social welfare organizations be included for consideration in the Department of the Treasury Priority Guidance Plan.41
Recommendation 9: The Director, EO, should develop training or workshops to be held before each election cycle including, but not limited to, how to word questions in additional information request letters and what additional information should be requested.
You've posted ZERO facts related to Lerner and the IRS scandal. Exactly what I expect from you.
Here are some facts you can hide from:
-Her emails get lost due to a hard drive crash, just after she learns that Republicans are on to her targeting scheme.
-The only emails lost are the ones coincidentally pertinent to the investigation in regards to other alleged conspirators: White House, Democrats Congress Members, etc...
-The only emails lost are the ones coincidentally pertinent to the investigation in regards to the timeline, 2009 to 2011. So if the email was not pertinent to the investigation by time or recipient, it was not lost...how convenient.
-She admits that the targeting was wrong, yet it does continue after she says it has stopped.
-She admits that the IRS was asking inappropriate questions (ie what are your members' prayers about), but the IRS kept asking these inappropriate questions from her very own office, with her name on it AFTER she had said it was wrong and had already stopped.
-She takes the 5th after saying she was innocent.
-She claims that she was pressured to do something about Tea Party money in the election.
-She sent an email out saying that the Tea Party matter was dangerous and was hoping that another branch of government could save the day.
-She claimed that the inappropriate line level targeting was started by line level employees in Cincinnati, but:
A) The line level Cincinnati employees produced evidence that DC told them to do it.
B) Targeting occurred from coast to coast, line level people in Cincinnati can't order offices coast to coast to do a policy shift.
C) An IRS attorney said the order to target came from an Obama appointee in DC
-Lois Lerner against regulations improperly contacted the FEC directly about conservative groups.
Side related matters:
-Under oath the IRS Commissioner said he had all of Lenrner's emails saved to a server - now we are to believe that they were never saved to a server, but to a single hard drive.
-The IRS knew the computer crashed since 2011, but waited well over a year to mention it when they were forced to hand them over, knowing that congress wanted the emails.
-Of the groups flagged for using conservative sounding words, 83% were conservative. Of those groups flagged 100% of the groups actually targeted with an audit were conservative and all of these groups were asked inappropriate questions. How is it that only conservative groups were audited with this program?
-President Obama said there was not a smidgen of corruption BEFORE the investigation and evidence was gathered.....seems a bit premature from a law professor who should know how these things work.
- The IRS illegally leaked confidential IRS data of conservatives to left-leaning media.
-IRS employees were breaking the rules by campaigning for Obama on the job to citizens dealing with the IRS.
this is getting brutal.
unfortunately the poster you are trying to convince is completely immune to logic and reason, greatly preferring to yodel dementedly about 'conservatives drifting further and further from reality' for the 2,559,453rd time.
That's clarifies nothing. It shows that both names with progressive and tea party were investigated.
Yes they were, the progressive groups were flagged using unbiased criteria that could of flagged any group. The tea party groups were flagged with criteria that only targeted them specifically hence the reason 100% of them were flagged. That is the issue here.
It does not because you ae trying to attribute something the IRS was claiming to the IG.
There was a letter sent by Dave Camp just ten days before this crash requesting those records.
The emails that are missing are the ones going to people outside the IRS.
As someone quite familiar with IT I can tell you that there is only three possibilities for losing that much data off a drive. Either there was severe physical damage to the platter, someone purposely corrupted it before the technicians got to it or the technicians are in on it. Go ask someone you trust yourself familiar with disk drives, they are going to tell you the same thing.
No there crash happened years ago there is an email chain. Reality conservatives need more of it
Yes. On June 13, 2011, reference first turns up in internal IRS emails that Lerner's hard drive had crashed. In a series of emails afterward, Lerner attempted to get technical help restoring her data — but on August 5, 2011, she was informed that it was unrecoverable.
While this occurred two years before the IRS scandal actually broke, some observers have been suspicious of this timing — because only a short time earlier, on June 3, 2011, House Ways and Means Committee Chair Dave Camp sent a letter to the IRS requesting various documents, including from Lerner's division. The letter mainly focused on whether the IRS was improperly enforcing a "gift tax" on certain donors, but it alluded to broader questions about whether the IRS was acting with improper political bias.
An email chain that the IRS provided to Congress shows Lerner trying to recover her data, and following up several times, saying there were some "irreplaceable" documents there that she needed:
Lerner email to IRS official, 7/19/11: "I'm taking advantage of your offer to try and recapture my lost personal files. My computer skills are pretty basic, so nothing fancy — but there were some documents in the files that are irreplaceable. Whatever you can do to help, is greatly appreciated."
Email from Customer Service Support, 7/20/11: "I checked with the technician and he still has your drive. He wanted to exhaust all avenues to recover the data before sending it to the 'hard drive cemetery.' Unfortunately, after receiving assistance from several highly skilled technicians including HP experts, he still cannot recover the data."
Follow-up email from Customer Service Support, 8/05/11: "Unfortunately the news is not good. The sectors on the hard drive were bad which made your data unrecoverable. I am very sorry. Everyone involved tried their best."
A computer crash wouldn't usually wipe out email — except that the IRS had a policy that only 500 megabytes of data could be stored on the email server at any one time — and that, if this limit was hit, older emails would have to be moved to the employee's computer.
It continues to be true that conservatives when it comes to politics are divorced from reality.
This Lois Lerner story will be yet another example of conservatives ignoring reality, having no proof of their insane conspiracy theories, and asking the same questions which have been answered while ignoring the answers to those questions.
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Even a big majority of Dems support a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS:
"The idea has strong support across all parties, with 88 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of Democrats and 78 percent of independents calling for a special prosecutor."
The public cares more about the IRS than Benghazi, Bergdahl, Fast & Furious, the VA, etc. combined.
this is getting brutal.
unfortunately the poster you are trying to convince is completely immune to logic and reason, greatly preferring to yodel dementedly about 'conservatives drifting further and further from reality' for the 2,559,453rd time.
Yes brutal indeed, it is proving that factual information is utterly irrelevant to that perpetual conservative fantasyland perspective.
There is proof the crashed occurred in 2011 well before this scandal broke. So Lois Lerner would have to have known that in two years those deleted emails would come in handy. Lol yes conservatives really believe this. SMH
Lois Lerner would be sending and receiving emails from many multiple IRS employees to pull off this grand conspiracy, where are their email accounts, why have zero IRS employees come forward to say this was going on? Why isn't there any actual evidence of any deliberate wrong doing. Why did the IG report basically say these issues were caused by a lack of oversight and training?
These are the question that one asks when dealing with reality. conservatives don't ask those questions. Instead they burrow further into fantasyland.
I can't be the only one who sees it, conservatives believe that Lois Lerner or the White House is so good that they deliberately had her email account crash TWO YEARS before the IRS scandal broke. In conservative fantasyland that's what happened.
conservatives are drifting further and further away from reality.
You are in total fantasyland. Do you understand the meaning of words? There has been no admission of criminal activity. There has been no investigation that contends criminal activity.
You are flat out making that up.
If conservatives actually read the initial IG report, they'd find facts like these
To determine if organizations other than those specifically identified in the inappropriate criteria were processed by the team of specialists, we reviewed the names on all applications identified as potential political cases.18 Figure 4 shows that approximately one-third of the applications identified for processing by the team of specialists included Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names, while the remainder did not. According to the Director, Rulings and Agreements, the fact that the team of specialists worked applications that did not involve the Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 groups demonstrated that the IRS was not politically biased in its identification of applications for processing by the team of specialists.
This is why conservatives make extremely vague references to that initial IG report, because the content if the report doesn't at all support conservative fantasies about this incident.
Lol, so this is the new conservative narrative that Lois Lerner was really deleting emails with the IRS IT department as a co-conspirator, which was related to some letter that Davis Camp sent that was completely unrelated to the later scandal that broke, but that those emails would prove everything if only Lois Lerner and the IRS IT department hadn't conspired two years earlier to delete the emails?
This kind of illogical nonsensical thinking is embarrassing and yet......
Yes, this is how conservatives understand the world. Everything is a grand conspiracy. Even the IT department was in on the conspiracy. Even the how the IRS stored emails was in on the conspiracy. How deep down the rabbit hole are conservatives going to burrow?
I can't be the only one who sees it, but conservatives are drifting further and further away from reality.
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