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Not sure why you guys are wasting your time. The new polls are overwhelming. 76% of Americans believe the e-mails were deleted on purpose, and 74% want the Republicans to keep investigating until someone is held accountable.
Only the most extreme boot lickers are still defending the IRS. Facts don't matter to these people.
Again the evidence exists that the Lois Lerner was talking her emails in 2011. Two years before the phony IRS scandal broke. To believe that the emails were deleted deliberately a person would have to believe that the IRS IT department was in on the conspiracy and that Lois Lerner knew two years in advance that these emails would be the key to breaking a scandal that would occur in 2013.
Seriously this is insanity. conservatives believe insane things that based on a little thinking make no sense.
No there crash happened years ago there is an email chain. Reality conservatives need more of it
Yes. On June 13, 2011, reference first turns up in internal IRS emails that Lerner's hard drive had crashed. In a series of emails afterward, Lerner attempted to get technical help restoring her data — but on August 5, 2011, she was informed that it was unrecoverable.
While this occurred two years before the IRS scandal actually broke, some observers have been suspicious of this timing — because only a short time earlier, on June 3, 2011, House Ways and Means Committee Chair Dave Camp sent a letter to the IRS requesting various documents, including from Lerner's division. The letter mainly focused on whether the IRS was improperly enforcing a "gift tax" on certain donors, but it alluded to broader questions about whether the IRS was acting with improper political bias.
An email chain that the IRS provided to Congress shows Lerner trying to recover her data, and following up several times, saying there were some "irreplaceable" documents there that she needed:
Lerner email to IRS official, 7/19/11: "I'm taking advantage of your offer to try and recapture my lost personal files. My computer skills are pretty basic, so nothing fancy — but there were some documents in the files that are irreplaceable. Whatever you can do to help, is greatly appreciated."
Email from Customer Service Support, 7/20/11: "I checked with the technician and he still has your drive. He wanted to exhaust all avenues to recover the data before sending it to the 'hard drive cemetery.' Unfortunately, after receiving assistance from several highly skilled technicians including HP experts, he still cannot recover the data."
Follow-up email from Customer Service Support, 8/05/11: "Unfortunately the news is not good. The sectors on the hard drive were bad which made your data unrecoverable. I am very sorry. Everyone involved tried their best."
A computer crash wouldn't usually wipe out email — except that the IRS had a policy that only 500 megabytes of data could be stored on the email server at any one time — and that, if this limit was hit, older emails would have to be moved to the employee's computer.
If her hard drive crashed then why did she not ask to go to the tape back up
If her hard drive crashed then why did she not ask to go to the tape back up
That is actually an interesting question that needs to be answered. The tape backups were only for 6 months but any emails she had moved in those six months prior to the "crash" would still be on the tapes.
"As someone quite familiar with IT I can tell you that there is only three possibilities for losing that much data off a drive. "
a) Either there was severe physical damage to the platter, meaning someone took a hammer to the harddrive
b) someone purposely corrupted it before the technicians got to it meaning with a big rare earth magnet or a degaussing tool
c) or the technicians are in on it. Not as certain. Not like the good old days where you could put the pirate crew in the same hole you buried your treasure.
Of course this "the dog ate my homework" excuse is misdirection.
Look at the servers, both local and network, that's where user generated files are stored. No one in a federal IT position fixes computers, he/she "replaces" computers and down loads the saved e-mails, and Word, etc. files that were saved to the network backed to the current hard drive.
Also the embedded IT guy for Lerner's group would have run weekly hot back ups to protect his own a*s in the event one of the computers he is responsible for, went down. Otherwise he would have to tell Ms. Lehner, "Sorry to say but everything you worked on for the last three years is gone and unrecoverable. Have a great day!"
Of course, it is common practice for a federal employee to download everything he/she generates daily, weekly to a Sans disk which is an encrypted USB drive. In fact the federal government provides its employees these drives. That way an employee can go mobile.
And, its a hard truth that sneaky federal employees use various private e-mail accounts accessible through a web browser to send and receive e-mails when it is not allowed.
So, what Ms. Lehner did is accessible on her local servers, IRS network servers, hot back ups, "on the new hard drive since it would have received the "missing e-mails," Ms. Lehner's San disks, her private g-mail, hotmail, anon erc. e-mail accounts, archival DVDs and CDs she may have, and her home system.
I didn't say she was but such information can easily be found and certainly someone else could have done it.
They don't have to hide anything about corruption, bad sectors ARE corruption. While bad sectors are possible on any drive to lose that amount of data there is only three possibilities I'll outline again.
The platter sustained severe physical damage which is very rare and no one is claiming.
The IT department is covering for Lois Lerner which is very unlikely.
The data was purposely corrupted before the technicians got to it.
No it doesn't questions 4 and 5 have nothing to do with Lois Lerner's emails.
Unless one believes that the key to understanding how many audits are done in the IRS can only be found out based on Lois Lerner's emails, or finding out how organizations are selected for audit in the IRS can only be found out by Lois Lerner's emails and everything about those two questions can be hidden if they are gone?
This is completely irrational thinking. No those questions would have answers in multiple places besides lois Lerner's email account. How embarrassing how illogical. This is what conservatives believe straight nonsense.
So you believe that Lois Lerner does have co-conspirators in corrupting her computer's hard drive? Did she hire these co-conspirators? Were these co-conspirators fellow IRS employees? How'd they get access to her computer's hard drive in the office of the IRS?
Why wouldn't the IT department have flagged her corrupted files as deliberate? Why isn't anyone from the IT department coming out and saying that based on their experience and knowledge they felt the computer's hard drive was corrupted deliberately?
Either way the IT department would have to be apart of the cover up. There is no getting around it.
It still doesn't explain how Lois Lerner would have known two years in advance that her emails those specific emails that evidently can't be found in other IRS employees emails accounts would be the KEY to blowing this scandal wide open two years before hand.
Lois Lerner is a mastermind who is hiring people to corrupt her computer 's hard drive and keeping them and the IT department in the IRS quiet while having the foresight to pinpoint the exact emails that would blow up her grand conspiracy to destroy conservatives two years advance.
Oh my another conservative who is in fantasyland. I supplied the only facts I have read in this thread which comes from the IG report
To determine if organizations other than those specifically identified in the inappropriate criteria were processed by the team of specialists, we reviewed the names on all applications identified as potential political cases.18 Figure 4 shows that approximately one-third of the applications identified for processing by the team of specialists included Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names, while the remainder did not. According to the Director, Rulings and Agreements, the fact that the team of specialists worked applications that did not involve the Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 groups demonstrated that the IRS was not politically biased in its identification of applications for processing by the team of specialists.
This kills your fictional beliefs. The majority of your facts are conjecture and projection. Facts are provable.
Again it is a fact that Lois Lerner was in communication with the IT department back 2011 well before she was being investigated about her email account crashing. That's a fact.
It is also true based on logical thinking that Lois Lerner's emails can't be the only person whose email account would matter if there was this grand conservative conspiracy.
Lerner had to be receiving and sending emails to other IRS employees what about their email accounts?
Why can't motivated and dishonest conservatives investigators find out anything concrete?
Why hasn't there been an email chain outside of Lois Lerner?
Why have zero IRS employees come forward and supplied the correspondence that proves that this was all a planned conspiracy?
These are the questions that sane people ask to get to reality. conservatives don't ask those questions. They just burrow further into fantasyland.
I can't be the only one who sees it because conservatives are drifting further and further away from reality.
You tool, that is a government (read Obama administration) self-investigation that ADMITS "inappropriate criteria were used to identify tax-exempt applications for review." The only debate was if it was on accident or deliberate.
You so no emails outside of Lerner, you do realize that 6 other IRS employees under investigation ALSO lost their emails during the time period in question.
You do realize that IRS employees in Cincinnati came forward and supplied evidence that Lerner lied about them starting the targeting.
Let me just state the obvious for anyone who believes this. Emails are not stored on your computer. They are stored on servers. Servers that are back up and backed up and backed up. Do they really think we are just stupid and are going to believe this?! What they said is impossible.
This is watergate folks. Cover up. You do not lose emails due to computer crash, end of story.
Yeah this was on Stewart last night. . its ridiculous sure, but not unheard of
My guess is the IRS is thrifty when it comes to storage. I know my company is as well. The IRS email boxes (i.e what is allowed on the server) are about 150meg. Yeah. The funny thing is I work for a fortune 500 and our mailboxes are about the same size.
So you have to constantly move emails to your computer (outlook you use archive pst). If your not smart enough to move to a backed up location than when your computer crashes/dies/etc the emails are lost.
Server backups at the IRS are 6 months
Of course . . the above has worked fine for a long time. . ..until this problem happened. So Jon Stewart blasted the IRS not on conspiracies. . .but on how can you have 1/10th the size of gmail.
but personally i'm not surprised. I have a 150meg inbox at work. . .and my company makes billions a year. . .
That is actually an interesting question that needs to be answered. The tape backups were only for 6 months but any emails she had moved in those six months prior to the "crash" would still be on the tapes.
I really never understood if she wanted them back why she did not email IT to recover from the tapes . She just asked them to recover from her hard drive , but never asked for recovery from the tapes
You tool, that is a government (read Obama administration) self-investigation that ADMITS "inappropriate criteria were used to identify tax-exempt applications for review." The only debate was if it was on accident or deliberate.
You so no emails outside of Lerner, you do realize that 6 other IRS employees under investigation ALSO lost their emails during the time period in question.
You do realize that IRS employees in Cincinnati came forward and supplied evidence that Lerner lied about them starting the targeting.
Etc...
Oh so you got nothing but more fantasies and pretend.
I can't be the only one who sees it. Read the above post. Complete make believe. Complete conspiracy.
Again the evidence exists that the Lois Lerner was talking her emails in 2011. Two years before the phony IRS scandal broke. To believe that the emails were deleted deliberately a person would have to believe that the IRS IT department was in on the conspiracy and that Lois Lerner knew two years in advance that these emails would be the key to breaking a scandal that would occur in 2013.
Seriously this is insanity. conservatives believe insane things that based on a little thinking make no sense.
Who punched a hole into the hard drive as they say happened?
Who asked for the back-up and archives to be erased?
This all happened after questions started to be asked and we learned it wasn't just 2 rogue agents in Cincinnati.
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