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Old 06-14-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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The primary interest in voting for him was to keep a sad old man, a ditz, and Mr. Smarm from the White House.
Yes, Joe Biden is such a bastion of social grace and intelligence. Not!
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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I agree. Saudis are allies you don't want your back turned to. However, US and Saudi economic ties are intertwined no matter how much we may distrust each other.

But, presuming all you wrote in your post is true, which I do not doubt, I often wonder about the short sighted view of nation states. ISIS is definitely a monster that should it prevail will swallow the Saudi Kingdom. it is the law of unintended consequences.
The USA has already "turned their back on Saudi Arabia". On Hillary Clinton's last visit there, she couldn't even get an "audience". Kerry and Obama have not done much better. Their anger is great, and I expect nobody much cares about that. At some point - they will begin to worry about it, but the Saudis are pretty pragmatic and extremely un-trustworthy on several issues. In view of the age of the House of Saud - it's beyond stupid to just thumb your nose at this country.

Why would anyone go out of their way to inflame them? Only the O-Team would see the value in that. I don't see any progress between relationships with KSA and USA.

U.S. tries to calm Saudi anger over Syria, Iran - Reuters - October 2013.
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So, when Obama pushes his agenda, Obamabots say he's the government. But when someone says something negative about this administration, he's not the government....


Also, if you really believe that the IRS did nothing wrong, explain why Lois Lerner didn't just say so rather than pleading the fifth. Also explain why the IRS, an organization that is all about record keeping, managed to lose 2 years worth of emails which should - assuming that the IRS did nothing wrong - definitively answer the question in the Obama administration's favor.
Get this straight.

I don't owe you OR the GOP witch hunters any explanations on what the IRS did.

If there really was something rotten, those capable "investigators" should have been able to smoke it out long before now.

They haven't. So, either there's nothing for them to find or they're a collection of incompetent boobs.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Get this straight.

I don't owe you OR the GOP witch hunters any explanations on what the IRS did.

If there really was something rotten, those capable "investigators" should have been able to smoke it out long before now.

They haven't. So, either there's nothing for them to find or they're a collection of incompetent boobs.
You got nothing, huh?
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/former-defense-official-obama-administration-150928578.html

Obama agreed to follow Bush's withdrawal timeline, but is accused of being disinterested in managing it and possible consequences.

"Unfortunately, this administration's principal interest seemed to be not stability in Iraq, not partnership with Iraq, or even Iraq as a hedge against extremism in the region."

We needed a much better president to follow Bush, too bad we got his twin brother.
Good.

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Old 06-14-2014, 09:39 PM
 
Location: North America
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At this rate, I think anyone would have been better than someone whose primary reason to vote him into the highest executive office in the world despite zero executive experience was that he was cool.

Even as bad as Hillary has been lately, she wouldn't be "as" bad.
Yeah! Because none of the more effective Presidents EVER had ZERO executive experience or anything .
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:46 PM
 
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if as Op say he may soon be as it can make the rest of his presidency get worse.
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Old 06-15-2014, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You got nothing, huh?

Makes us dead even.

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Old 06-15-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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Yeah! Because none of the more effective Presidents EVER had ZERO executive experience or anything .
No president -- no matter how experienced elsewhere, no matter what states they were governor of, or what armies they commanded -- is ever ready for that job when they get it. It is the ultimate 'learn as you go' position. Kind of like Fatherhood, as today is Father's Day. When they hand you that baby, no preparation is ever quite enough even if you and everyone you know thought it was.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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The anonymous retired defense officials easily could be from Obama's administration. His military advised a force of 16k+ remain in Iraq.
And they could just as easily be left overs from the Bush Administration (Ver. II). Plenty of career-guys stay put from admin to admin. If the unnamed officials were in favor of the Iraq invasion to begin with, they may not have changed their minds any more than many conservatives have on this issue.
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