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Feminism isn't about hating men or killing babies.
Depends on which feminist you're talking about.
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It's about women's rights.
Women already have equal rights, and have had them for decades now. Feminism is no longer about women's rights.
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It's about women being treated equally and humanitarianaly.
No, it isn't "all" about that at all. Women do not have to register for the selective service. Where are the feminists complaining about that? Women's health issues receive multiple times as much funding as men's. Where are the feminists complaining about that? Feminists sure were calling it discrimination that women paid higher health insurance premiums than men, but women receive lower car and life insurance premiums. Where are the feminists complaining about that? It is not at all about women being treated equally. Feminists protest solely when women are disadvantaged. If it were about women being treated equally, then feminists would also be advocating in those areas where men are not treated as well. But they don't. Ergo, it is not about women being treated equally.
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If a men were impregnanted this argument would be different. Maybe you should spend your time and energy ensuring men practice safe sex and supporting feminism to prevent rape.
Supporting feminism doesn't prevent rape. Feminists politicize rape. In their efforts to turn rape into a cause that will get them attention and funding, they have hurt as much as helped the rape issue. First, they have marginalized the men who are rape victims. Second, they actively campaign against teaching people self defense and safety precautions. Third, they create more trauma and suffering in the victims by sensationalizing their experience.
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It is a woman's choice it's her body her choice.
It's also the baby's body. The woman's choice means the baby's life is terminated. The "it's not a baby, it's just a fetus" thing is just rationalization. A human being at an early stage of development is still a human being. It isn't a duck. It isn't a dog. It's a growing human life.
Second, her choice extends well beyond her body. If unmarried, she gets automatic custody of the baby and the father has to take her to court at his expense if he wants to assert his parental rights. If she wants to abandon the baby she is free to do so with the "safe haven" laws regardless of the father's wishes. She is free to lie about who the father is with no repercussions.
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But it has also been a mans choice that she is pregnant in the first place.
It is nobody's fault when a woman gets pregnant but her own. If it's your body and your choice, then it naturally follows that it's your responsibility as well. If you aren't willing to accept the consequences of engaging in sexual activity then do not engage in sexual activity. Don't blame your partner for your poor choices. That's not to say men shouldn't support their children, but that's after a birth. The pregnancy itself is not the man's choice. If you don't use birth control or don't accept the risk that birth control can fail, then that's your fault and yours alone.
men should also be told to stop forcing women into getting abortions. many women would not get them if the man in their lives would support them when they get pregnant. we now have men dropping women off at abortion clinics telling them they better get one or physically abusing them until they do.
that is not feminism. the woman is still not in charge of her own body.
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Originally Posted by janelle144
all you have to do is read your paper. you never heard of a man who kills his pregnant girlfriend? you are too sheltered.
How would banning abortion stop men from trying to force a woman to get one? If abortion is ever banned, there will be plenty of underground, back alley abortion shops popping up all over.
Do you think a man who would threaten and beat a woman into getting an abortion would care if that abortion was legal or not?
And, if abortion was illegal, the cost would go WAY, WAY up......much cheaper and easier just to kill her or beat it out of her.
it takes quite awhile to study cancer. abortions were legalized in '73 so the women who had an abortion would now be getting cancers. the women who had illegal abortions are less likely to inform their doctors, which would make it harder for the research on those women.
it's for the researchers to come to their conclusions. i hope, for women's sake they don't go PC with it.
Janelle, it's become very clear to me, especially after your latest post about abortion/cancer research, that you have absolutely no idea what you're reading.
Women already have equal rights, and have had them for decades now. Feminism is no longer about women's rights.
No, it isn't "all" about that at all. Women do not have to register for the selective service. Where are the feminists complaining about that? Women's health issues receive multiple times as much funding as men's. Where are the feminists complaining about that? Feminists sure were calling it discrimination that women paid higher health insurance premiums than men, but women receive lower car and life insurance premiums. Where are the feminists complaining about that? It is not at all about women being treated equally. Feminists protest solely when women are disadvantaged. If it were about women being treated equally, then feminists would also be advocating in those areas where men are not treated as well. But they don't. Ergo, it is not about women being treated equally.
Supporting feminism doesn't prevent rape. Feminists politicize rape. In their efforts to turn rape into a cause that will get them attention and funding, they have hurt as much as helped the rape issue. First, they have marginalized the men who are rape victims. Second, they actively campaign against teaching people self defense and safety precautions. Third, they create more trauma and suffering in the victims by sensationalizing their experience.
It's also the baby's body. The woman's choice means the baby's life is terminated. The "it's not a baby, it's just a fetus" thing is just rationalization. A human being at an early stage of development is still a human being. It isn't a duck. It isn't a dog. It's a growing human life.
Second, her choice extends well beyond her body. If unmarried, she gets automatic custody of the baby and the father has to take her to court at his expense if he wants to assert his parental rights. If she wants to abandon the baby she is free to do so with the "safe haven" laws regardless of the father's wishes. She is free to lie about who the father is with no repercussions.
It is nobody's fault when a woman gets pregnant but her own. If it's your body and your choice, then it naturally follows that it's your responsibility as well. If you aren't willing to accept the consequences of engaging in sexual activity then do not engage in sexual activity. Don't blame your partner for your poor choices. That's not to say men shouldn't support their children, but that's after a birth. The pregnancy itself is not the man's choice. If you don't use birth control or don't accept the risk that birth control can fail, then that's your fault and yours alone.
Oh, good grief!
Women have been struggling under the yoke of oppression for eons. We couldn't get a higher education, we couldn't be doctors and lawyers, we couldn't drive, we couldn't vote or own property or have credit cards.
Every step, every gain in the right direction, had to won with blood, sweat and tears. Nobody gave us these rights...we had to fight bitterly for them, and some suffragettes even died in the process. We're still not quite there yet.
Now you want us to fight for YOUR rights? What's wrong with putting down the Budweiser, getting your fat a$$es off the barcalounger and fighting for them yourselves?
"Honey, make me sandwich, and while you're up, go fight for my right to pay lower insurance premiums."
I don't think so. Do it yourself.
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men should also be told to stop forcing women into getting abortions. many women would not get them if the man in their lives would support them when they get pregnant. we now have men dropping women off at abortion clinics telling them they better get one or physically abusing them until they do.
that is not feminism. the woman is still not in charge of her own body.
The problem you are referencing is intimate partner violence, not the legality of abortion. Intimate partner violence exists regardless of the legality of abortion.
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
Depends on which feminist you're talking about.
Women already have equal rights, and have had them for decades now. Feminism is no longer about women's rights.
No, it isn't "all" about that at all. Women do not have to register for the selective service. Where are the feminists complaining about that? Women's health issues receive multiple times as much funding as men's. Where are the feminists complaining about that? Feminists sure were calling it discrimination that women paid higher health insurance premiums than men, but women receive lower car and life insurance premiums. Where are the feminists complaining about that? It is not at all about women being treated equally. Feminists protest solely when women are disadvantaged. If it were about women being treated equally, then feminists would also be advocating in those areas where men are not treated as well. But they don't. Ergo, it is not about women being treated equally.
Feminism is about the rights of women and about the rights of men. We have not had a draft since Vietnam, and most consider the idea politically infeasible, but if gender-neutral Selective Service is your soapbox, then I say go out and stand on it. Do you really think that women are treated equally?
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
Supporting feminism doesn't prevent rape. Feminists politicize rape. In their efforts to turn rape into a cause that will get them attention and funding, they have hurt as much as helped the rape issue. First, they have marginalized the men who are rape victims. Second, they actively campaign against teaching people self defense and safety precautions. Third, they create more trauma and suffering in the victims by sensationalizing their experience.
Please link to feminists marginalizing male rape victims, campaigning against self defense, and creating more trauma. You have built a straw man.
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
It's also the baby's body. The woman's choice means the baby's life is terminated. The "it's not a baby, it's just a fetus" thing is just rationalization. A human being at an early stage of development is still a human being. It isn't a duck. It isn't a dog. It's a growing human life.
You think it is a rationalization. I think it is a rationalization to say that an embryo is a human being from the moment of conception. Our Supreme Court has taken a position, and that position is that women have the right to choose abortion, up to a point.
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
Second, her choice extends well beyond her body. If unmarried, she gets automatic custody of the baby and the father has to take her to court at his expense if he wants to assert his parental rights. If she wants to abandon the baby she is free to do so with the "safe haven" laws regardless of the father's wishes. She is free to lie about who the father is with no repercussions.
You are simply wrong about "custody" and "parental rights." Parental rights exist by virtue of being a parent. Of course, if a father does not try to parent the child for years, then the mother, who phically birthed the child, does so as a matter of fact, rather than right. If the father seeks to act as a parent when the child is born, then he has a parental right. It is, of course, best if the parents can mutually agree how to deal with custody and parenting without courts, but sometimes courts are necessary when the parents are unable to cooperate. Lawyers cost money--for both parties. If a mother wants to "abandon" the baby but the father wants to parent it, then there is a very easy solution--sole custody for the father.
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
It is nobody's fault when a woman gets pregnant but her own. If it's your body and your choice, then it naturally follows that it's your responsibility as well. If you aren't willing to accept the consequences of engaging in sexual activity then do not engage in sexual activity. Don't blame your partner for your poor choices. That's not to say men shouldn't support their children, but that's after a birth. The pregnancy itself is not the man's choice. If you don't use birth control or don't accept the risk that birth control can fail, then that's your fault and yours alone.
It takes two to tango. It is a much bigger problem that fathers abandon their children than that women get abortions. Men are also capable of using birth control. Women are capable of getting abortions.
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