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Old 06-14-2014, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
No, sorry, but I am not wrong about my own opinions. Here's the thing. I am me. You are not me. I know why I oppose abortion. You don't get to tell me why I oppose abortion. I believe that when someone has an abortion, an innocent human being's life is terminated. Therefore I support banning elective abortion.

Do pro life people say women should be paid less than men? No. Do pro life people say that women should be banned from driving? No. Do pro life people say that women should have to wear certain clothes and not other clothes? No. Do pro life people try to say what women should be allowed to eat or drink? No. That's the fundamental flaw in the controlling women's bodies argument - these evil sexist control freaks who want to control women's bodies for some strange reason do not try to control anything else. That makes the idea that it is about controlling women's bodies ridiculous. The control freaks here are not the people who want to ban abortion. Killing human beings is illegal. Therefore abortion should be illegal. The control freaks in the situation are the pro-choice people who insist on telling the pro life people what we really want, what our true motivations are, and what we really think. That's trying to control other people. Making it illegal to kill other human beings is crime prevention, not controlling women's bodies.
You have every right to YOUR beliefs but YOU DO NOT have a right to inflict them on me. I believe human life begins at viable birth. If you do not believe in abortion don't have one - problem solved

None of you lifers has ever explained to me why you think you have the right to meddle in my private healthcare choices and why your beliefs should trump mine.

 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: North America
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Perhaps you should try telling these women out here sleeping with bums and than bringing their children into dysfunctional situations. Single parenting seems to be more of the norm these days.
I don't think either side should be blameless. However, the modern view still primarily believes only women are ultimately responsible for the consequences of sex. Men are given perfect opportunity to ensure they don't have to worry about having children if they don't want to.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Well since we have no choice or say in abortions. Women shouldn't have a say in whether or not we pay child support for the unwanted child.
Here's an issue with that logic, assuming you're pro-life.

Pro-lifers tend to talk about responsibility. A responsible person who doesn't want to get pregnant won't, and if they do, they'll take responsibility for their actions. The thing is, pregnancy isn't just a woman thing. By that I mean, someone else had to have gotten involved at some point. That other person should take just as much responsibility, even if they didn't actually birth the child.

I get that's not really what you're saying, and I understand the point you're trying to make but it completely undermines most of the argument that pro-lifers actually have.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: North America
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Not true. There's other ways not to raise a baby you don't want. Give it up for adoption...perhaps even a family member would raise him or her. There's other ways than killing though.
Ever consider the fact that women might just weigh the pros and cons of different situation before they decide on abortion? Believe it or not it's not the easy choice a lot of people seem to think it is, and the vast majority of women have a harder time with adoption than they do with abortion.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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I see the normal crowd has gathered, spouting the same tired, old arguments. In my experience, the ones who yell the loudest have the least to contribute to discussions of abortion. I wonder how many of you have ever actually encountered a real, live woman whose has terminated a pregnancy. You might be surprised at who we are and what we have to say. It is tragic really that nobody ever stops to ask, because you might learn something if you could stop yelling long enough to listen. But you won't. You never do.

I am a real live woman and I'm also a nurse who worked in Family Practice so I have plenty of experience working with woman and the choices they've made. I am also old enough to have grown up before Roe v Wade and also started working as a nurse before Roe v Wade. So not only from my personal experience as a woman and also as a nurse I will NEVER advocate doing away with a woman's right to make healthcare decisions that should be between her and her healthcare provider and one of those choices should be abortion.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Not true. There's other ways not to raise a baby you don't want. Give it up for adoption...perhaps even a family member would raise him or her. There's other ways than killing though.
About 1/4 of pregnancies in the U.S. are terminated. There are not nearly enough adoptive families to handle that large a number of children. The best alternative to abortion is contraception. Unfortunately, many (if not most) in the anti-choice crowd also oppose that.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: North America
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About 1/4 of pregnancies in the U.S. are terminated. There are not nearly enough adoptive families to handle that large a number of children. The best alternative to abortion is contraception. Unfortunately, many (if not most) in the anti-choice crowd also oppose that.
I would seriously take more Anti Abortion proponents seriously if they also went out of their way to push for better access to contraceptives and birth control.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 08:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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No, that's socialism!
So is deciding who must give birth!
 
Old 06-14-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Feminists claim to care about women, they claim to care about ALL women's rights and well-being, often times at the expense of men, but yet they support abortion. How can you truly care about women's rights if you support the violation of the Right to Life of other women? And the brutal murder of baby girls in the womb? That's definitely not within their well being is it? How would you like it if someone did that to you?
Seriously man. Try googling these types of things. You can easily see the opinion of both sides of that debate.

Incidentally, do you support abortion in cases of rape or incest? What about when the fetus won't make it to term or will but will have a short, very painful life. Ante up some of your own beliefs here.
 
Old 06-14-2014, 09:40 PM
 
Location: North America
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WCR must be taking one leisurely ass lunch.
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