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Old 06-17-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by medellinheel View Post
Unless you are close friends with the President or in his inner group of advisors you do not know what the real reason(s) we went to war are.
So--as a previous poster has already responded to you--why did the US wait to act 15 years after the fact?
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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So--as a previous poster has already responded to you--why did the US wait to act 15 years after the fact?
Again, I am not friends with the Prez nor am I in his inner circle.

Speculating in fun, but in the end it is just that speculating.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:13 AM
 
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Raise your hand if you think Barack Obama will allow ISIS to takeover Baghdad?
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:08 AM
 
Location: USA
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I love this new meme running through the rightwing talking points these days implying that Iraq was going so well until Obama came along and ruined it. And I bet in time and with enough repetition, they'll convince themselves it's the truth, too. It will become the right wing's new official rewritten history of the Iraq war.

Hilarious.

Iraq belongs completely and wholly to the 43rd president, "he who must not be named." He's the guy who wrecked the place and then handed the broom to Obama and left him to clean up the mess.
It's typical of the right-wing extremists. Just look around this thread - they are doing everything from trying to complain that Obama isn't "going to arm the troops or let them fight back" to "anyone who supports Obama is a war-monger." And let's not even get started on Benghazi - funding cut by right-wingers, ignoring that G.W. Bush even existed, etc. Nope - in their nutty world, Iraqi was great right up until Obama took over, even though he simply continued the plan that was in place at the time. Of course, if Obama HAD left troops there forever, we'd be hearing right-wingers whining about that, complaining about the "war we can't afford" - even though we apparently COULD afford both wars when Bush got us into them...

With them, it is always the same story - no matter what Obama does, it's "bad," even if they can't explain why or come up with any intelligent discussion as to what they'd like to see done instead. If he sends troops, he's bad, if he doesn't send troops, he's bad, and so on. It's a joke - Obama Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, and one need only look around this forum to see its effects.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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0bama is making fools out of the people who voted for him and they're too damned dumb to know it!

God love 'em!
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: NC
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Raise your hand if you think Barack Obama will allow ISIS to takeover Baghdad?

City of 7 million taken over by 12,000 fighters? Not likely. They can wreak some serious havoc though.
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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Raise your hand if you think Barack Obama will allow ISIS to takeover Baghdad?
Interesting analysis. Will Santa Claus bring us Easter Eggs on Halloween this year? Raise your hand if you think so.

A better, slightly less irrelevant and profoundly stupid question would be: will Iraq's military defend Baghdad? Discuss.
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:41 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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It's typical of the right-wing extremists. Just look around this thread - they are doing everything from trying to complain that Obama isn't "going to arm the troops or let them fight back" to "anyone who supports Obama is a war-monger." And let's not even get started on Benghazi - funding cut by right-wingers, ignoring that G.W. Bush even existed, etc. Nope - in their nutty world, Iraqi was great right up until Obama took over, even though he simply continued the plan that was in place at the time. Of course, if Obama HAD left troops there forever, we'd be hearing right-wingers whining about that, complaining about the "war we can't afford" - even though we apparently COULD afford both wars when Bush got us into them...

With them, it is always the same story - no matter what Obama does, it's "bad," even if they can't explain why or come up with any intelligent discussion as to what they'd like to see done instead. If he sends troops, he's bad, if he doesn't send troops, he's bad, and so on. It's a joke - Obama Derangement Syndrome is a real thing, and one need only look around this forum to see its effects.
It's already been proven the funding cut had nothing to do with it, yet you keep repeating this partisan lie.

Obama derangement syndrome is no worse than an Obamabot with conservative derangement syndrome, so the holier-than-thou attitude and assertions of righteousness are laughable.
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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The Obama-bots now have to do a 180 and claim that war is great --- just after they got done saying the war was only Bush's fault.
You "get it" .... it's not that we are sending in evacuation people (which the State Department absolutely denies for some reason) .... it's that Obama said "all options", the next day said "NO Troops on the ground" and then sends in "Combat ready troops" the day after that.

It's no wonder that nobody trusts anything he says. He doesn't know from one minute to the next what he is going to do, and just like to hear himself TALK. I'm betting someone at the Pentagon explained that IF they don't want another Benghazi scenario on their hands - they have to get some evacuation assists into Iraq. The State Department is standing firm (as of yesterday's briefing) that there are no plans for evacuation and that everything is Hunky Dory/AOK is their Diplomatic Missions - they will not say how many people are in those Embassies, but prior to this crisis - reports were in the 5,000 range in the Bagdad Embassy Compound alone. There are a total of 4 Diplomatic Missions in Iraq.

Side note learned from the State Dept press briefing yesterday - Kerry and the Iraqi Foreign Minister were both in London late last week and Kerry never spoke to him - State Press didn't even know the Foreign Minister was there when asked the question. The US Iraq Ambassador has finally returned to Iraq over the weekend and Secretary Kerry is busy this week with an Oceans Global Warming symposium that he is hosting. The USA State Department is absolutely on TOP of everything. Under-Secretaries are in Geneva working on Iran's Nuclear issues.
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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Left you lefties forget.......

Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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