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Bush: "This (Hussein) is a man who has got connections with Al Qaida. Imagine a terrorist network with Iraq as an arsenal and as a training ground.."
I remember that. I remember having to brush the dirt out of my teeth, my jaw hit the ground so fast. "We have no evidence regarding a connection to Al Qaida, but imagine if we did."
Really? Imagine they're a threat? Unbelievable.
To be honest, I don't remember what colour your Rainbow of Fear took on that day.
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And then he would have been blamed for being "weak on Iraqi" and "giving up the gains we've made there," whatever those are, because realistically, we haven't accomplished much of anything. Of course, this assumes Obama has any real say in the matter anyway - no doubt plenty of very powerful people who answer to neither party have vested reasons to keep the war going in the Mid East forever...
Potential blame is a poor reason not to act in the interest of the country and if the CinC cannot order troops withdrawn from another country, Congress should be investigating that instead of sitting on its collective ass which seems to be its one unquestionable talent.
Obama may have inherited a useless war of choice but he's had more than enough time to end it, it's on him now and I can only hope the only reason more US troops enter that cesspool will be to empty the Embassy and turn out the lights in that $700M waste of taxpayer $$$.
Bush lied, Cheney lied, Powell lied. Anyone who believes otherwise at this point, more than ten years out, is bleeding koolaid. There really are only a few hangers-on left in the world, and they're all rightwing nutjobs right here in the US of A. There will probably always be a small but annoyingly vocal minority who still maintain that Iraq was a good idea, even though their reasoning is as laughable as it is tragic.
Potential blame is a poor reason not to act in the interest of the country and if the CinC cannot order troops withdrawn from another country, Congress should be investigating that instead of sitting on its collective ass which seems to be its one unquestionable talent.
Obama may have inherited a useless war of choice but he's had more than enough time to end it, it's on him now and I can only hope the only reason more US troops enter that cesspool will be to empty the Embassy and turn out the lights in that $700M waste of taxpayer $$$.
What do you mean by "it's on him?" He pulled out the troops in 2011 like he said he would. It's not his fault the place descended into a complete s**thole, notwithstanding the eminent brilliant sage John McCain's remarks.
Beyond that, Iraq is a completely unmitigated disaster directly resulting from our lunatic and criminal invasion. That is what is causing this. At this point, there may be no solution. There may be a civil war, I don't know. Maybe it will calm down eventually, but that's unlikely.
edit: $700m is being kind. Most estimates at this point have us well over a couple trillion. Dollars, that is. My dollars. Your dollars.
Remember how Bush said Iraq posed a threat? Remember how it didn't? There you go.
Bush said Iraq posed a threat. Iraq did not pose a threat. Therefore Bush was lying. The discussion of the intelligence Bush ignored because it did not support his decision to invade is ten years old. Where have you been?
Oh. "America does not torture". That's another lie the torturer Bush told.
No. No. No. That's not proving there was a lie told. That's telling us there was faulty intelligence. And that's hindsight 20/20.
You call it a lie. You can't back it up. Therefore you and your liberal bretheren are the liars.
What do you mean by "it's on him?" He pulled out the troops in 2011 like he said he would. It's not his fault the place descended into a complete s**thole, notwithstanding the eminent brilliant sage John McCain's remarks.
Beyond that, Iraq is a completely unmitigated disaster directly resulting from our lunatic and criminal invasion. That is what is causing this. At this point, there may be no solution. There may be a civil war, I don't know. Maybe it will calm down eventually, but that's unlikely.
edit: $700m is being kind. Most estimates at this point have us well over a couple trillion. Dollars, that is. My dollars. Your dollars.
Exactly.
But remember, it's somehow Obama's fault: the war even began, the war didn't end immediately when he took office, the war ended when planned, he didn't send troops to Iraqi, and that he did send troops to Iraqi.
As for Bush and his cronies, they lied to us - those are the facts, and right-wing attempts to rewrite history will not change that.
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What do you mean by "it's on him?" He pulled out the troops in 2011 like he said he would. It's not his fault the place descended into a complete s**thole, notwithstanding the eminent brilliant sage John McCain's remarks.
Beyond that, Iraq is a completely unmitigated disaster directly resulting from our lunatic and criminal invasion. That is what is causing this. At this point, there may be no solution. There may be a civil war, I don't know. Maybe it will calm down eventually, but that's unlikely.
Yet there's still said to be more than 5,000 civilian contractors in Iraq. Who's paying/protecting them? IMO every American should have been given a deadline to leave and been told after that they were on their own.
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edit: $700m is being kind. Most estimates at this point have us well over a couple trillion. Dollars, that is. My dollars. Your dollars.
The $700M is for the Embassy alone. Great investment in America, eh?
If Faulty Intelligence for the Iraq War is Considered A Lie, Then Barack's Faulty Benghazi Intelligence Is a Lie Too
Just like the title says: If liberals disingenuously insist on claiming that the faulty intelligence used by George W. Bush in the run-up to the Iraq War was actually a bald-faced lie told by the President, then logic would dictate that the "faulty intelligence" that Barack Obama used as a cover-up for the Benghazi massacre (ie. the YouTube video) was a bald-faced lie told by the President as well.
Both have been touted as "faulty intelligence" by the respective administrations, but liberals insist that it was a "lie" that Bush told but it was merely "the best intelligence we had at the time" in deflecting criticisms for Barack Obama's failure in Benghazi.
Pure, unadulterated hypocrisy on display once again.
I hadn't heard about the contractor situation. Well, it stands to reason. Contractors were one of the main beneficiaries of the war. I agree with you; eject them now.
But remember, it's somehow Obama's fault: the war even began, the war didn't end immediately when he took office, the war ended when planned, he didn't send troops to Iraqi, and that he did send troops to Iraqi.
As for Bush and his cronies, they lied to us - those are the facts, and right-wing attempts to rewrite history will not change that.
Everyone knows the truth, and the far-right's attempt to run away from their "position at the time" is simply laughable.
I've offered that link at least twice in this thread alone, and the vocal minority won't even open it, much less read it. It's somehow all the Democrat's fault.
What I fault Congress with is not vetting the information. They had the means to do it, and didn't. They just jumped on the rah rah lets go to war bandwagon Bush was driving. And, I think that's just what Bush and his cronies were counting on.
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If Faulty Intelligence for the Iraq War is Considered A Lie, Then Barack's Faulty Benghazi Intelligence Is a Lie Too
