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I'm agreeing with you. Ignore someone who denies climate change. Ignore them. And how many on here do you think actually deny climate change? I'm willing to bet not many, becuase I read their posts. You and others immediately go to the "denier" thing, it's an intellectually dishonest way of stifling debate.
There is no debate here. When confronted with facts that contradict right-wing talking points, denialists declare it to be junk science, whine about Al Gore, and get upset that we don't pretend posts on right-wing blogs have scientific merit. I'm not interested in debate, because right-wing denialists have no intellectual integrity. I just show their claims are wrong. If they want to admit their errors, good for them! But they never do. They'd rather stamp their feet and whine about liberals.
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I get that you want you want to be right
I'd love to be wrong. I live in Calgary, and stand only to gain from the oil industry.
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and that you hate anyone that does not believe exactly as you do
I hate people who spread right-wing lies. About anything. Nothing to do with me.
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You're quick to label, that's alright. I'm willing to say I don't know and would like more information. Not to be called a name, because someone else is uncomfortable with anyone questioning their myopic views.
No, you're not in a position to say anything about me or why I do anything. Nor are you in a position to chastise me for putting right-wing denialists in their place.
it is politicized because the right wing formed an alliance with big business. The oil companies line the pockets of the Republicans, while the green energy companies line the pockets of Democrats.
As for denying climate change... the same people who deny every other aspect of reality do so.
there is no debate here. When confronted with facts that contradict right-wing talking points, denialists declare it to be junk science, whine about al gore, and get upset that we don't pretend posts on right-wing blogs have scientific merit. I'm not interested in debate, because right-wing denialists have no intellectual integrity. I just show their claims are wrong. If they want to admit their errors, good for them! But they never do. They'd rather stamp their feet and whine about liberals.
I'd love to be wrong. I live in calgary, and stand only to gain from the oil industry.
I hate people who spread right-wing lies. About anything. Nothing to do with me.
No, you're not in a position to say anything about me or why i do anything. Nor are you in a position to chastise me for putting right-wing denialists in their place.
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1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, September 11, 1972)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, September 12, 1972)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, December 5, 1974)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – December 5, 1974)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – March 2, 1975)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, March 2, 1975)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, March 3, 1975)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, January 17, 1978)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)
I respect the fact that you are supporting your argument with actual evidence, but people weren't talking about this in everyday conversation in the 1970's. It wasn't the politicized monster that global warming has become because it wasn't actually supported in the scientific community, and was more a product of the non-mainstream media. It's not comparing apples to apples. The international community wasn't spending millions on climate research back then, and the idea of global cooling was more of a prediction than factual based evidence of what was actually happening.
I remember nothing about "global cooling" in the 70's. I don't dispute that you may have, as I'm not you, but it wasn't a regular occurring topic in the mainstream media.
I respect the fact that you are supporting your argument with actual evidence, but people weren't talking about this in everyday conversation in the 1970's. It wasn't the politicized monster that global warming has become because it wasn't actually supported in the scientific community, and was more a product of the non-mainstream media. It's not comparing apples to apples. The international community wasn't spending millions on climate research back then, and the idea of global cooling was more of a prediction than factual based evidence of what was actually happening anyways.
I remember nothing about "global cooling" in the 70's. I don't dispute that you may have, as I'm not you, but it wasn't a regular occurring topic in the mainstream media.
OK, and to be fair I don't believe that global cooling was a science supported idea. Some scientists believed it, and perhaps with the antiquated models they had back then there was some support for it, but probably no consensus like what we have today.
I remember just a little bit of it in school. Possibly because the teachers may have been paying attention to what the media at the time was focusing on it. Which of course was sensationalized, sell more magazines that way.
And the cooling hypothesis wasn't necessarily predicting an ice age so much as suggesting that aerosol use would cool the planet, which is exactly what was happening. CFCs and similar aerosols were banned in 1978 because of their effects on the ozone layer.
I am not a climate change denial. What my problem climate change is it cause by AGW? Look at the cheerleaders for global warning: Al Gore and Obama. What have they done personally? They live in big mansion, own multiple home. Own multiple cars and planes. Did they downsize? Did they grow their own food??? But, one thing is obvious, they get very wealthy through global warming.
Would anyone really be doubting global climate change if it wasn't politicized?
No, I agree that our climate appears to be getting colder.....
Which does not change the long-term trends towards a warmer Earth and which is, itself, a form of climate change... because "change" includes more than "hotter."
But that's okay - let's just keep ignoring the facts until our civilization runs into some very unpleasant times.
I am not a climate change denial. What my problem climate change is it cause by AGW? Look at the cheerleaders for global warning: Al Gore and Obama. What have they done personally? They live in big mansion, own multiple home. Own multiple cars and planes. Did they downsize? Did they grow their own food??? But, one thing is obvious, they get very wealthy through global warming.
*sigh*
And if the local weatherman happened to be somebody you hated and he warned you to get to a tornado shelter before a verified, on the ground EF5 wedge tornado killed everyone in your subdivision, would you ignore him because "he hasn't done anything personally" and has "gotten very rich predicting incorrect weather?"
Climate change, caused at least in part by human activity, is a scientific fact. To deny it because you don't like Al Gore or Obama is a horrible line of reasoning. Heck, if you looked around enough, you could probably find some people on the denier side who you wouldn't like, making it impossible to chose a position...
The people around here scare me sometimes based on their decision making processes...
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