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What is it you don't understand about the large difference between 'authorizing' and 'mandating'?
I want to know WHEN there was ever a vote specifically about ordering an Iraq invasion?
I know you didn't ask when there was a vote that mandated war.
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Please tell us just WHERE/WHEN there was ever a vote on whether to invade Iraq or not?
You asked when there was a vote. Don't get mad at me because you meant to ask a silly question. War is always up to the president, Congress is just suppose to authorize it.
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I know you didn't ask when there was a vote that mandated war.
You asked when there was a vote. Don't get mad at me because you meant to ask a silly question. War is always up to the president, Congress is just suppose to authorize it.
BULL!
ONLY Congress can declare war which it hasn't done since 1941, the POTUS cannot despite your allegation of war always being up to the POTUS.
I asked a legitimate question, you're apparently ignorant of just how war gets declared and supplied a silly answer instead.
ONLY Congress can declare war, the POTUS cannot despite your allegation.
I asked a legitimate question, you're apparently ignorant of just how war gets declared and supplied a silly answer instead.
You asked when there was a vote. I provided it. I think you didn't even realize there was an authorization vote.
The United States has formally declared war against foreign nations five separate times, each upon prior request by the President of the United States.
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You asked when there was a vote. I provided it. I think you didn't even realize there was an authorization vote.
No, I asked when there was ever a vote whether to invade or not and you imagined something that has never existed.
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The United States has formally declared war against foreign nations five separate times, each upon prior request by the President of the United States.
At the 'request' of the POTUS but ONLY by the action of Congress.
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No, Congress did not DEMAND war but that is a meaningless, worthless distinction. They didn't for any of the others either.
No, I don't believe it's meaningless at all. I think we need to revamp exactly how we go to war. I believe the invasion/occupation of a sovereign nation, especially one that's done nothing to the US, should require a declaration of war be made by Congress. Let the armchair warriors who have NO problem spending the blood and $$$ of others while sitting on their collective ass sign their names to an order for war and be held responsible for what they've done..
Yes he probably had WMD's, that's a solid bet. That's not grounds for attacking a sovereign foreign nation who hadn't threatened us though! One of our damn business is what it was.
didn't the congress vote to go in to Iraq? Do you think you are a better judge of what we should or should not do than those who have knowledge and experience? I certainly do not think I am; I have my opinions, but I also respect those who know than I do. and believe it or not, hind sight is 20/20. It isn't going to do much good now to say: oh. we should or should not have done thus and so. Now, we have do what we can to mend the damage.
I have always loved the "Pauls" view on foreign engagement.
However its their stance on many other national programs that a vast majority of Americans enjoy, and are willing to be taxed for to keep, in which Senator Paul and his father would like to see abolished that I do have a problem with.
Your problem is that you think the federal government is supposed to do everything. Most people think the federal government should not be involved in social welfare, or education at the state level. That does not mean they want to ban education or social welfare, it just means the feds should not be meddling in it.
Many other people think the states and local governemnts can do many of the things our inept federal government has taken upon itself to do.
No, I asked when there was ever a vote whether to invade or not and you imagined something that has never existed.
I posted the vote that authorized it.
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At the 'request' of the POTUS but ONLY by the action of Congress.
Which for right or wrong is exactly what happened.
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No, I don't believe it's meaningless at all. I think we need to revamp exactly how we go to war. I believe the invasion/occupation of a sovereign nation, especially one that's done nothing to the US, should require a declaration of war be made by Congress. Let the armchair warriors who have NO problem spending the blood and $$$ of others while sitting on their collective ass sign their names to an order for war and be held responsible for what they've done..
On global security issues Ron Paul doesn't see further than his nose. With that said, Middle East is a mess and there is nothing the US can do to fix the situation. There are no good guys and democracy seems very far. Even if one group "wins", instability will continue.
So yes, we shouldn't get involved because there is nothing we can contribute.
The odd thing is they agree with Ron Paul's long held position but yet can't resist the dig. If Paul doesn't understand but oberon agree's with him what does that say about oberon?
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and believe it or not, hind sight is 20/20. It isn't going to do much good now to say: oh. we should or should not have done thus and so. Now, we have do what we can to mend the damage.
