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Old 06-25-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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Every faith thinks their faith is the true religion.

And Muslims aren't the first group to try and convert people at the edge of a sword. You do know that, right? Christianity doesn't have clean hands. Their body count is probably a lot higher than Muslims can ever claim.

And we don't defend them....we defend the right to be a Muslim if that's what you want to be.
They are the ones doing it today. None of te other religions are waging a holy war on other religions EXCEPT Muslims.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:29 AM
 
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Jews don't call for the annihilation of Muslim countries.
Ha...maybe not publicly.

Look...like the guy said in the movie Munich, the Jews didn't get that land because they are all a bunch of nice guys. Now i get it that they've been persecuted over the years and such, but that's no reason to attribute kindness, magnanimity, beneficence, and tolerance to ALL Jews as if there aren't bad Jewish people too.

You guys get a little too carried away with that stuff.

Again, i don't see all Muslims as anti-Semitic. Anti-Israeli? Sure...i can buy that. But those things can be mutually exclusive and i think they are 90% of the time.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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Ha...maybe not publicly.

Look...like the guy said in the movie Munich, the Jews didn't get that land because they are all a bunch of nice guys. Now i get it that they've been persecuted over the years and such, but that's no reason to attribute kindness, magnanimity, beneficence, and tolerance to ALL Jews as if there aren't bad Jewish people too.

You guys get a little too carried away with that stuff.

Again, i don't see all Muslims as anti-Semitic. Anti-Israeli? Sure...i can buy that. But those things can be mutually exclusive and i think they are 90% of the time.
All Jews are not nice people just as all Muslims are not bad people. But Muslim leaders HAVE called for the annihilation of the Jewish state. To minimize that would be a mistake.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Anti-Semitic Assault and Stabbing in Paris Library - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva

Clearly France cannot protect it's own citizens from these attacks and the only solution will be for all the French Jews to continue emigrating to Israel where they actually have a government looking out for them. I have a feeling the Muslim Arabs will just move on to persecuting Christians once all the Jews have fled. I wonder if France will do something about it then?
France will be fine but Jews aren't leaving France. France boasts the largest Jewish population in Europe at 600K. About 2000 emigrated to Israel last year. Who knows how many Israelis moved to France as an offset.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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They are the ones doing it today. None of te other religions are waging a holy war on other religions EXCEPT Muslims.
Except SOME Muslims, and a very tiny minority of them at that.

Why don't you look at some aggravating factors, like the Western inability to stop MEDDLING in their affairs?

The roots of 9/11 came out of Al-Qaeda's anger about having U.S. troops on Saudi soil. It's not as if we didn't know that being in Saudi Arabia for a protracted amount of time was a bad idea...we just did it anyway using the invitation from the House of Saud as an excuse to stay despite the fact that the PEOPLE of Saudi Arabia didn't want it.

You invade nations like Iraq, make a mess of the place, and expect them to love you? Only Americans think like that.

What about what we did in Iran in Operation Ajax in '53? Did you really think that there'd be no blowback for such an action? A hell of a lot of enmity towards the West comes DIRECTLY from that situation.

The facts are the facts...Muslims really weren't bothering anyone until people started bothering them. And they still won't bother you if you leave them the hell alone and stop sticking your nose in their business.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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All Jews are not nice people just as all Muslims are not bad people. But Muslim leaders HAVE called for the annihilation of the Jewish state. To minimize that would be a mistake.
SOME Muslim leaders have called for that. I'm not minimizing it and even if i did so, it wouldn't be a mistake because it's no skin off of my back either way. I'm not the arbiter of the Jewish-Muslim power struggle, and i don't find either side to be any better or morally superior than the other. I've had about enough of both sides to put it plainly, and i don't appreciate the United States getting dragged into it on a perpetual basis.
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Old 06-25-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Ha...maybe not publicly.

Look...like the guy said in the movie Munich, the Jews didn't get that land because they are all a bunch of nice guys. Now i get it that they've been persecuted over the years and such, but that's no reason to attribute kindness, magnanimity, beneficence, and tolerance to ALL Jews as if there aren't bad Jewish people too.

You guys get a little too carried away with that stuff.

Again, i don't see all Muslims as anti-Semitic. Anti-Israeli? Sure...i can buy that. But those things can be mutually exclusive and i think they are 90% of the time.
Well at least you admit all Muslims are anti Israeli. It's a start.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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On France, I think the Muslims have studied European history and think the French will surrender without a fight as they have in the past.
You are ignorant on history.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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Well at least you admit all Muslims are anti Israeli. It's a start.
Not really...but you're free to take it that way if you wish.

I think lots of Muslims (not even close to ALL Muslims) have antipathy towards Israel, but so what? Is it mandatory that they LOVE Israel or something? I mean, why do you folks act as if you're the gatekeepers for pro or anti Israel attitudes? What..do you wanna eradicate any or all people that don't have an obsequious devotion to Israel or something?

Even if they all hated Israel, so what? Is the planet gonna stop spinning on its Axis? Geez.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Thank God the Jews have a country willing to take them in, though if I was a Jew in Paris I'd try to go to the United States before going to Israel.
The US is overpopulated as it is. Why waste the hassle.

They can go to Israel and get immediate citizenship and feel safe.
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