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Old 07-02-2014, 05:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
Again if conservatives didn't care there would be no issue.

If conservatives didn't care, they'd see birth control as what it is medical treatment, but conservatives don't see birth control as medical treatment.

They see birth control as enabling immoral consequence free sex for women.


And because conservatives want to control the sexual behavior of women, they don't want public money spent on birth control and they support employee's access to birth control covered in their employee health insurance to be determined by the morality of corporations.

Again despite your insistence to the contrary, people who don't see birth control in moralistic or woman hating/controlling terms just sees birth control as what it is medical care.

conservatives have an anti-birth control viewpoint as your posts keep proving.
Alright, lets turn your argument around. If some liberals "didn't care" there would be no issue. This isn't about birth control specifically. It is about having any kind of birth control available, namely abortifacients. Some liberals see ANY restrictions as infringing on their birth control options. You have an all or nothing viewpoint as your posts keep proving.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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How many hours pay is $50 for someone who earns minimum wage?
Why is that a valid question?
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Just one time that a minimum wage earner cannot afford the medication would be enough, don't you think?
What does a minimum wage earner have to do with this debate?
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Alright, lets turn your argument around. If some liberals "didn't care" there would be no issue. This isn't about birth control specifically. It is about having any kind of birth control available, namely abortifacients. Some liberals see ANY restrictions as infringing on their birth control options. You have an all or nothing viewpoint as your posts keep proving.
This is "not" about birth control. It is about our Constitution's guarantee of freedom of religion.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:37 PM
 
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You brought it up. If you don't want to discuss the ramifications of the things you bring up it's probably better to simply not bring it up.

But anyway still, thanks for shining a light on your feelings here. Tax, tax, tax.
Lol no you brought it up. I mentioned nothing about taxes. You did. I merely answered a question.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Whatever birth control, they can or cannot get in their own health insurance policies now rests with what religious person/corporation Hobby Lobby or other religious persons/corporations like hobby lobby decide are morally acceptable.

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Then don't work there. Problem solved.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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This is "not" about birth control. It is about our Constitution's guarantee of freedom of religion.
I know, I agree. I was trying to show the posters dogmatic approach to this ruling.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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This is "not" about birth control. It is about our Constitution's guarantee of freedom of religion.
Yes, and if we repeal Obamacare the entire problem goes away.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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Lol no you brought it up. I mentioned nothing about taxes. You did. I merely answered a question.
You said it was the employee's money and then said it should be taxed. Affordable my arse.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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The Supreme Court once decided that a Native American who was fired for the religious use of peyote was not exempt from a general law prohibiting peyote use on the basis of religious belief. That case was written by Justice Scalia, who sided with the majority in Hobby Lobby.
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Smith concerned two members of the Native American Church who were fired for ingesting peyote for sacramental purposes.When they sought unemployment benefits, the State of Oregon rejected their claims on the ground that consumption of peyote was a crime, but the Oregon Supreme Court,applying the Sherbert test, held that the denial of benefits violated the Free Exercise Clause. 494 U. S., at 875.

This Court then reversed, observing that use of the Sherbert test whenever a person objected on religious grounds to the enforcement of a generally applicable law “would open the prospect of constitutionally required religious exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind.” 494 U. S., at 888. The Court therefore held that, under the First Amendment, “neutral, generally applicable laws may be applied to religious practices even when not supported by a compelling governmental interest.” City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U. S. 507, 514 (1997).

Congress responded to Smith by enacting RFRA. “[L]aws [that are] ‘neutral’ toward religion,” Congress found, “may burden religious exercise as surely as laws intended to interfere with religious exercise.” 42 U. S. C. §2000bb(a)(2); see also §2000bb(a)(4). In order to ensure broad protection for religious liberty, RFRA provides that “Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.” §2000bb–1(a).2 If the Government substantially burdens a person’s exercise of religion,under the Act that person is entitled to an exemption from the rule unless the Government “demonstrates that application of the burden to the person—(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.” §2000bb–1(b).3
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...3-354_olp1.pdf

[emphasis mine]

Strange that you left what followed out... I'm assuming you didn't do that on purpose for nefarious reasons.
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