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Old 07-03-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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So you would cover vegetarians but not cover someone that eats fish, by bet is that case you would lose, but you can drop you're insurance and put them on an exchange which was what hobby lobby was going to do if they lost
I'm not debating whether or not the outcome would be favorable if Hobby Lobby lost. I'm arguing the principle that religion should not play a role in governing employees' health case insurance.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Indeed, they would be justified in quitting, but why should I have the right to impose my religious views on my employees from the start?

I agree. However, if my employer-provided insurance proved to be cheaper and/or more comprehensive, I'd still be in a disadvantaged position.
Because the right to the abortion pill is not a constitution right, freedom of religion is a right, the desire of an employee to have abortion pills does not trump the rights of the owner of a private company
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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That's the great thing about American. I'm sure you would have to prove that all heart problems are blamed on meat, how about the vegetarian that has heart problems would your Hindi insurance deny them?
Nope you wouldn't have to prove it; SCOTUS has said its enough for you to sincerely believe it.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I'm not debating whether or not the outcome would be favorable if Hobby Lobby lost. I'm arguing the principle that religion should not play a role in governing employees' health case insurance.
Abortion pills are,not a constitutional right ,religion is
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:31 AM
 
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From my persective, religious views are being imposed in the form of denying coverage. For example, if I was a Hindu owner of a private business, and I wanted to deny coverage for cardiovascular medication because I saw a correlation between eating meat and heart disease, would I be justified in doing so?
Its your business. Remember....a business doesn't have to offer you squat if they don't want to. Is that better?

The hard facts are we are going to be covering less of many things people want covered. Its inevitable.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Nope you wouldn't have to prove it; SCOTUS has said its enough for you to sincerely believe it.
Let's hope a Hindu. Owner who owns a business' takes meat eaters to court
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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Let's hope a Hindu. Owner who owns a business' takes meat eaters to court
Why would he take meat eaters to court? I don't understand.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Why would he take meat eaters to court? I don't understand.
The op claims a Hindu business's owner would not have to cover cardio disease based on their religion does not believe in eating meat
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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I support it because of the constitutional reasons . If you so.ey ow a company the government should not make you buy something for someone else that is against their religion
Considering that freedom of religion is a pillar of our constitution (i.e., 1st amendment), I ought to respect my employer's religious views, but why should said employer, public or private, have a say-so when it comes to my personal life. The fact that I most likely pay into the policy as well should give me, the employee, the right to choose, no?

Also, contraceptive coverage is usually provided at little to no cost by insurance companies, for it is far less risky to prevent a pregnancy than risk complications that may occur during birth.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Considering that freedom of religion is a pillar of our constitution (i.e., 1st amendment), I ought to respect my employer's religious views, but why should said employer, public or private, have a say-so when it comes to my personal life. The fact that I most likely pay into the policy as well should give me, the employee, the right to choose, no?

Also, contraceptive coverage is usually provided at little to no cost by insurance companies, for it is far less risky to prevent a pregnancy than risk complications that may occur during birth.
Hobby lobby covers 16 birth control methods .if you own the company does not mean you have to ignore your beliefs ,the close on Sunday do to religious beliefs ,do you think the government should force them to open against their beliefs
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