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Old 06-30-2014, 06:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
A month? A month means nothing.
Another one who can't tell the difference between climate and weather.
Exactly.

It was also a lot hotter during the era of the dinosaurs, so let's cut down all the forests and load the air with CO2 and toxins... or, it was colder during the last ice age, so let's clearly we need MORE warming or we'll all freeze to death... Ugh...
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Care to show me where NOAA said July 2012 wasn't the hottest month? None of the links on the OP link back up that claim. You shouldn't believe everything you read from climate bloggers.
I think I found where the data has changed. Their site didn't work well on my phone, but it contradicts itself on another page that still says July 2012 was the hottest month.

U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

Though at the bottom of this chart it says this, which it should because science isn't static.

"Limitations: Statistics for the most recent period/season are computed from a fraction of the U.S. which has data available at that time. Extreme percentage values can and will likely change as final quality controlled data become available and fill in the data gaps."


With that said, even the climate blogger's data doesn't change much, the trend still shows an increasing temperature over a period of time.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:09 PM
 
Location: USA
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I think I found where the data has changed. Their site didn't work well on my phone, but it contradicts itself on another page that still says July 2012 was the hottest month.

U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI) | National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)

Though at the bottom of this chart it says this, which it should because science isn't static.

"Limitations: Statistics for the most recent period/season are computed from a fraction of the U.S. which has data available at that time. Extreme percentage values can and will likely change as final quality controlled data become available and fill in the data gaps."


With that said, even the climate blogger's data doesn't change much, the trend still shows an increasing temperature over a period of time.
Impossible - it was cold this winter, and a few scientists somewhere think the Earth is not warming... and, uh... the climate is always changing, so our actions don't matter... yeah... that's it...
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Impossible - it was cold this winter, and a few scientists somewhere think the Earth is not warming... and, uh... the climate is always changing, so our actions don't matter... yeah... that's it...
Haha, just like it is cold here in the winter because only the US temperatures matter when it comes to global temperatures.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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It's been cooler outside your window for 15 years now. There has not been any warming for 15 years, that is why it's a hoax.
I went looking for some evidence to support your claim, but found this instead.

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Cowtan and Way apply their method to the HadCRUT4 data, which are state-of-the-art except for their treatment of data gaps. For 1997-2012 these data show a relatively small warming trend of only 0.05 °C per decade – which has often been misleadingly called a “warming pauseâ€. The new IPCC report writes:
Due to natural variability, trends based on short records are very sensitive to the beginning and end dates and do not in general reflect long-term climate trends. As one example, the rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade), which begins with a strong El Niño, is smaller than the rate calculated since 1951 (1951–2012; 0.12 [0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade).
But after filling the data gaps this trend is 0.12 °C per decade and thus exactly equal to the long-term trend mentioned by the IPCC.
- See more at: RealClimate: Global Warming Since 1997 Underestimated by Half
So much for conspiracy theories.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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A month? A month means nothing.
Another one who can't tell the difference between climate and weather.
The Ministry of Truth strikes again!

NOAA Reinstates July 1936 As The Hottest Month On Record | Nwo Report


What possible reason could there be to change past recorded temperatures than to deceive the gullible?
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:03 AM
 
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I went looking for some evidence to support your claim, but found this instead.



So much for conspiracy theories.






"But after filling the data gaps"
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The year 1934 was a very hot year in the United States, ranking fourth behind 2012, 2006, and 1998. However, global warming takes into account temperatures over the entire planet. The U.S.'s land area accounts for only 2% of the earth's total surface area. Despite the U.S. heat in 1934, the year was not so hot over the rest of the planet, and is barely holding onto a place in the hottest 50 years in the global rankings (today it ranks 49th).
Climate change skeptics like to point to 1934 in the U.S. as proof that recent hot years are not unusual. However, this is another example of "cherry-picking" a single fact that supports a claim, while ignoring the rest of the data. Globally, the ten hottest years on record have all occurred since 1998, with 2005 and 2010 as the hottest.
1934 is the hottest year on record


The rest of what data?

GHCN v3?


"As commented elsewhere, in this case the effect of the change is a cooling of the past (with a very small warming of very recent years), leading to an increased temperature rise over the period shown."


GISTEMP and GHCN v3 – two stations illustrated | Peter O'Neill's Blog
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Old 07-01-2014, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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"But after filling the data gaps"
Yes. You don't think there are weather stations covering every square centimeter of the earth, do you?

You didn't read the article, this is clear.
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Old 07-01-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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A month? A month means nothing.
Another one who can't tell the difference between climate and weather.
I read the OP twice and cannot find anything conflating climate and weather. In fact, there is nothing abut climate in the OP.

You are the only one confused here.
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