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As usual, when the liberals encounter an idea they can't refute but hate anyway, they start ranting hysterically.
Help is available, you know.
Actually, that's more likely to happen with the more conservative types here. There are next to no liberals on this forum but plenty of people who claim that Obama is part of some New World Order that's trying to take over your minds with RF rays.
What the heck! Why should they have to pay workers at at all, Let's go back to the days of indentured workers and slavery. Would that make the RWNJs happy? I doubt it, They would have to feed and house said workers. Maybe the Nazi or the Soviet models would do. Just work those you don't like to death and kill two birds with one stone.
Wow, really?
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Originally Posted by Juram
I'll do one better, why should employers be involved in your healthcare at ALL? This backwards, redundant, ridiculous system of tethering people and their healthcare to their employers has long outlived its usefulness.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by gen811
news flash employers are not paying for it.
the employees are.
the employees are always paying for it as it is part of the pay package.
having employers pay for it makes no difference except for tax purposes.
Valid point; therefore, I'll ask why many employers should be mandated to provide coverage.
As usual, when the liberals encounter an idea they can't refute but hate anyway, they start ranting hysterically.
Help is available, you know.
Actually, that's more likely to happen with the more conservative types here. There are next to no liberals on this forum but plenty of people who claim that Obama is part of some New World Order that's trying to take over your minds with RF rays.
In many ways yes they are. Obamacare/ACA created substantial penalties for employers that cease offering HI plans that were in place before that act came into being.
Indeed Obamacare was built upon the premise of the main working model of health insurance in the USA; employer provided plans. There simply wasn't another way without designing an expensive federally run universal healthcare scheme which many liberals and Democrats wanted but would cost dear.
If large numbers of employers cease offering health insurance and send their employees into the private market including the ACA exchanges the entire scheme will crash under the weight.
Most Obama supporters are ignorant of what is in Obamacare. Much like Ms. "Vote for the bill to find out what's in it". Some are so ignorant that they don't know that employers are forced to provide health care (depending on the number of employees or if they donated to Obama's campaign) or face fines or arrest.
The SCOTUS ruling was clear - the government can't force insurance on either an individual or a corporation. They can tax.
In almost every case, it would be far cheaper, and perfectly legal, to drop insurance and pay the payroll tax. Corporations voluntarily choose to insure their employees because it is seen as a perk to attract employees.
They got into the racket because the post WW II wage ceiling nonsense wouldn't let companies use salaries to compete for employees, so they began adding in benefits to sweeten the pot. It just became a common thing, and now everyone thinks they are owed benefits with a job.
True...very true.
One of my many jobs was in a little shop making auto parts.....we were in the UAW. (low wages....but, in the union).
I was on the bargaining committee......one things we were taught was go for benefits.....dollar for dollar they were worth as much.....and would be easier to get.
Indeed Obamacare was built upon the premise of the main working model of health insurance in the USA; employer provided plans. There simply wasn't another way without designing an expensive federally run universal healthcare scheme which many liberals and Democrats wanted but would cost dear.
This. The idea of a Public Option sent the conservatives completely ape. We ended up with this silly compromise. better than before, but oh so inferior to what could have been.
As to why so many companies let themselves get entangled in health insurance, historically it provided the employers with an even better bargaining position. After all, if an unhappy employee who quits stand to lose not just a paycheck for a couple of months, but their wife's cancer medication - well, that does keep those on the floor in a useful state of submission.
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