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You can beat your head all you want. Nobody is disputing that crime is down from 20 years ago.
My assertion here is that you've built an argument that doesn't make sense and it would get a fail even in high school. You've put up a pretty map showing that crime is going down and you make some vague assertion that this is due to incarceration rates. You've done nothing to show that either of them are related.
Dane destroyed your argument by noting that other similar countries with incarceration rates many times lower than the US also have crime rates many times lower than the US.
To boot, there are many other factors that you don't mention such as the aging of the population that typically results in lower crime rates. Older people commit fewer crimes.
In terms of debating, this kind of logical fallacy is called *** hoc ergo propter hoc
I didn't make an assertion. The point of the thread was to see if there's causality.
I think we arrest too many people for petty crimes. It's more about the police and courts wanting to keep their jobs and overtime than keeping society safe.
Homicide rates are down compared to 20 years ago. That's my point.
Please state your opinion. I can't have a dialogue with you if you don't have an assertion for me argue against.
Homicide rates are down. However, there is one thing that hasn't been considered. Trauma medicine has improved significantly. Shooting victims who would have otherwise died 20 years ago are more likely to live today.
A lot of changes happened in the last 20 years. The median age in the US went from 32.8 in 1990 to 37.2 in 2010. Older people have learned their lessons and are less likely to commit crime. We had a revolution in concealed-carry laws, dramatically increasing the cost of criminal violence. Price goes up, demand goes down. Last but not least we had a burgeoning police state. SWAT teams were few and far between 20 years ago. Now every Podunk PD has a swat team. While I don't approve of this trend, it's going to impinge on the criminal lifestyle.
No they aren't. They've been declining since 1990.
Could have sworn I tried to set up a comparison there. But if you want to make a statistical argument with n=1, have at it.
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