Non Compete Agreements - The New American Slavery? (illegal, Dodd, politicians)
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Lest the point is missed, I want you free market types to justify requiring employees to agree to non compete agreements. Particularly when said agreements are hidden withing the employment deal.
You have to come up with valid questions. They are not hidden and no one is forced to sign one.
Heard this topic on the news the other day and did a little looking:
Noncompete agreements are spreading beyond the high-tech and sales fields to professions such as hair stylists, camp counselors, yoga instructors and exterminators.
A hair salon in Norwell, Mass., obtained an injunction requiring hairstylist Daniel McKinnon to stop working at a nearby salon because he had signed a noncompete that barred him from working at any salon in nearby towns for one year.
After the ruling, McKinnon survived for a year on unemployment benefits of $300 a week. “It was pretty lousy that you would take away someone’s livelihood like that,” he told the Times. “I almost lost my truck. I almost lost my apartment. Almost everything came sweeping out from under me.”
I would never sign a noncompete clause ever. Just because it is rumored courts won't enforce the deals, no one needs that legal doc hanging over their head. Her story is more than enough reason not to ever sign one.
If new grads, employees would stick together on this, the non compete clause would go away just like the Dodo bird.
no, i said i understand why non competes were created in the first place, i never said i agreed with them.
So it makes no sense to you for a business to say...."I'm going to invest many hours with you teaching you this business and trust you with the many customers i've acquired along the way and in return you will not leave upon said training and go to work for another similar company for X years".
I would never sign a noncompete clause ever. Just because it is rumored courts won't enforce the deals, no one needs that legal doc hanging over their head. Her story is more than enough reason not to ever sign one.
So a McDonalds counter person has received special training and so cannot go to work a Burger King?
Face it. These low level non competes are nothing more that a means for businesses to exercise tyranny on their their employees.
tyranny on their employees? It is the employee who applies and accepts the job. If they don't like the job or the policies they are "free" to choose to leave. That is not tyranny.
Tyranny: A cruel and oppressive government or rule.
When a government uses an arm of the government to oppress (silence) the people that is a form of tyranny.
So it makes no sense to you for a business to say...."I'm going to invest many hours with you teaching you this business and trust you with the many customers i've acquired along the way and in return you will not leave upon said training and go to work for another similar company for X years".
like i said, i understand why non competes were created. but lets say you are an engineer for hendrick motorsports, say on jimmy johnsons race team. and lets say you are making pretty good money, doing that job, and you are rather successful at the job. now lets say joe gibbs comes along and offers you a lot more money to work for him, as well as greater responsibility, say chief engineer for gibbs racing. you want the job, as your job at hendrick is ending at the end of the season, but you signed a non compete agreement, so you cannot take the gibbs racing job, in fact you cannot take ANY job with ANY nascar team for a period of time. is that fair to you? you now have to not only change job, but you have to leave nascar to get a job, and as such you now have to learn to deal with the engineering issues on say an indy lights race team for a lot less money. again is that fair to you?
large companies accept that their employees move from job to job, it happens. so what they do is improve their business to remain highly competitve.
non competes to me are a businesses way of swaying we are lazy and dont want to really compete against others, and dont want to improve our business, so we dont want others to improve their businesses either.
like i said, i understand why non competes were created. but lets say you are an engineer for hendrick motorsports, say on jimmy johnsons race team. and lets say you are making pretty good money, doing that job, and you are rather successful at the job. now lets say joe gibbs comes along and offers you a lot more money to work for him, as well as greater responsibility, say chief engineer for gibbs racing. you want the job, as your job at hendrick is ending at the end of the season, but you signed a non compete agreement, so you cannot take the gibbs racing job, in fact you cannot take ANY job with ANY nascar team for a period of time. is that fair to you?
Absolutely. When Hendricks hired you, you signed an agreement that you decided was in your best interest. It would seem that you got what you expected from them. Now you provide what they expect from you.
But I have to say once again, I can not even say that this is a problem as I see guys switching teams all the time.
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you now have to not only change job, but you have to leave nascar to get a job, and as such you now have to learn to deal with the engineering issues on say an indy lights race team for a lot less money. again is that fair to you?
large companies accept that their employees move from job to job, it happens. so what they do is improve their business to remain highly competitve.
non competes to me are a businesses way of swaying we are lazy and dont want to really compete against others, and dont want to improve our business, so we dont want others to improve their businesses either.
I provided a perfectly reasonable explanation for them, you say you understand that reasoning but still you run the train off the tracks.
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