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Old 07-03-2014, 12:32 AM
 
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I know the race stuff is stupid and all but I'm wondering what people think. My half siblings have some diluted White Hispanic, Cherokee and Apache in them but they look just as pale and European as I do.

Do you think it has to be a substantial amount, like at least 1/4? Or is any amount, even 1/16 or 1/64 of a different race enough to honestly call yourself multiracial?
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Do you think it has to be a substantial amount, like at least 1/4? Or is any amount, even 1/16 or 1/64 of a different race enough to honestly call yourself multiracial?
Ask Elizabeth Warren. With no proof of having a Cherokee and Delaware Indian heritage, Warren first listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty in 1986, the year before she joined the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania Law School. She continued to list herself as a minority until 1995, the year she accepted a tenured position at Harvard Law School.

From what I've read, the New England Historic Genealogical Society found a family newsletter that alluded to a marriage-license application supposedly listing Warren’s great-great-great grandmother as part Cherokee. What percentage of Cherokee would that make Ms. Warren assuming the family story was true?
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I know the race stuff is stupid and all but I'm wondering what people think. My half siblings have some diluted White Hispanic, Cherokee and Apache in them but they look just as pale and European as I do.

Do you think it has to be a substantial amount, like at least 1/4? Or is any amount, even 1/16 or 1/64 of a different race enough to honestly call yourself multiracial?
Well, the Stormfronters usually make the cutoff 1/16th. But I know people who are 1/4th "non-white" who look whiter than me.

I suppose the question here is, what are you trying to do? Prove that you are mixed? Or are you trying to see if the Stormfronters would accept your half-siblings as white?


As a general rule, if you look white and claim to be white. You are white.

If you look mixed, and claim to be mixed. You are mixed.


If you don't look mixed, but claim to be mixed, you are going to have people questioning you.


My nephew claims he is part black on his dad's side(as in the side not related to me). But I know his grandparents and great-grandparents were whiter than me. So, I figured he was at best 1/32nd or 1/64th black, if at all(there is no proof, just an old story).

But really, at 1/8th, race is almost unnoticeable. At 1/16th it is unnoticeable.
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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Depends on who you talk to, OP. There are white supremacists who, will consider her to be mixed race, I think some of them subscribe to the one drop rule

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Well, the Stormfronters usually make the cutoff 1/16th. But I know people who are 1/4th "non-white" who look whiter than me.

I suppose the question here is, what are you trying to do? Prove that you are mixed? Or are you trying to see if the Stormfronters would accept your half-siblings as white?


As a general rule, if you look white and claim to be white. You are white.

If you look mixed, and claim to be mixed. You are mixed.


If you don't look mixed, but claim to be mixed, you are going to have people questioning you.


My nephew claims he is part black on his dad's side(as in the side not related to me). But I know his grandparents and great-grandparents were whiter than me. So, I figured he was at best 1/32nd or 1/64th black, if at all(there is no proof, just an old story).

But really, at 1/8th, race is almost unnoticeable. At 1/16th it is unnoticeable.
What about at 1/64th?
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Ask Elizabeth Warren. With no proof of having a Cherokee and Delaware Indian heritage, Warren first listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty in 1986, the year before she joined the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania Law School. She continued to list herself as a minority until 1995, the year she accepted a tenured position at Harvard Law School.

From what I've read, the New England Historic Genealogical Society found a family newsletter that alluded to a marriage-license application supposedly listing Warren’s great-great-great grandmother as part Cherokee. What percentage of Cherokee would that make Ms. Warren assuming the family story was true?

I am not aware of the government placing a minimum blood quantum level for being legally considered an American-Indian(and thus a minority). I know people who are like 1/1024th American-Indian, and are considered "NDN" by the government, if they simply check the box.
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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IMHO Claiming to be Human will do. We, if you go back far enough, are all of "Mixed Race".
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Depends on who you talk to, OP. There are white supremacists who, will consider her to be mixed race, I think some of them subscribe to the one drop rule

What about at 1/64th?

Well, from the Stormfront website. If people look at you and see nothing but Caucasian, and you think of yourself only as white, then you are white. The Stormfronters claim the cutoff is 1/16th. But they wouldn't really care if someone was more as long as they looked the part, and acted the part(they couldn't prove it anyway).


It is about "nationalism", they are trying to create their "nation" of white people. Not so much because they really think white people are that much different/better. But rather because they basically want an entire nation of "people like them", which are "different" than the people of other nations.



Nationalism is mostly used for promoting "cooperation" through unity. It is just an extension of the tribal mentality. The real problem is, nationalism either only exists, or is strongest where there is "conflict".


In the same way that your favorite football team is sort of conflicting with other football teams. Then when you go to the stadium to watch them, you are basically standing with other members of your "tribe", against the other tribe. And how that gives you a place, and a camaraderie with the people around you.

You work together(like with chants and boos and just being loud), to defeat the other tribe. Your tribe "needs you".

The problem of course is, where you have tribes, conflict, and competition; You have violence.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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People only worry about race if they are afraid of standing alone. Real individuals do not need a Tribe.
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:17 PM
 
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I am not aware of the government placing a minimum blood quantum level for being legally considered an American-Indian(and thus a minority). I know people who are like 1/1024th American-Indian, and are considered "NDN" by the government, if they simply check the box.
That statement is incorrect.

1. The tribe sets the blood quantum or descent for enrollemnt. A few tribes have matrilineal lineage only. This is tribal blood from tribal rolls.

2. Your statement in bold is incorrect. There are some tribes such as the Cherokee Nation of OK or the Creek Nation for example that have enrollment by "lineal" discent to certain tribal rolls (i.e. Dawes Rolls), not degree of Indian Blood as noted on the CDIB card. They are not considered "Indian" by simply checking marking the box. They are legally Indian becuase they are ernrolled tribal memebers of federally recognized tribes. Citizenship and descent are two different things.
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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Personally, I don't care. Claim whatever you identify with, and I'll consider you that. If it doesn't meet some criterion, it doesn't hurt me at all. If you're using it in some way to do something fraudulent, then that's a different question.
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