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Come on, you know those electors in Florida aren't going to go against the popular vote, that could literally cause a war.
Right...
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
Ahh... so you have made observations on what other people do? How many people have you observed proving they are eligible to vote?
To answer your question roughly a million miles in 25 years, I learned to drive when I was about 14 on a stick shift no less.
I only voted once and based on that time... Everyone. In my state they require an ID to register and then required ID to vote, but that may only be for first time voters and I'm not sure if a state ID as required. Actually, I remember having to show my registration and my ID.
As I already said though, I don't see the point on either side of this issue. It just seems like something for partisan hacks to bicker about. You already have to show ID to register, so it's not hard to show that ID again, but there is virtually no voter fraud going on.
Oregon charges 'only' $40 but they require a birth certficate every time (original and renewal), NYC uses a third-party vendor ($8) for birth certificates ($15) = $63 total.
Why don't you keep your birth certificate, instead of buying it every time...
And you can have other things to identify yourself...
even the Oregon website say so...
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Legal presence means that you are a U.S. citizen, permanent legal resident, or otherwise legally present in the U.S.
When you apply for a driver license, permit or ID card you must present at least one document listed below as proof that you are a U.S. citizen, Lawful Permanent Resident or that you are legally present in the U.S. for a temporary period of time. Important Information if You Were Born in Puerto Rico
If you were born in Puerto Rico, your original birth certificate will no longer be valid after October 31, 2010. Puerto Rico began issuing new birth certificates with anti-fraud security features on July 1, 2010. As of October 31, 2010, Puerto Rico will consider all birth certificates issued before July 1, 2010, as invalid. All documents presented must be original or certified copies issued by a federal, state or local government agency of the United States, with the exception of a foreign passport presented with an acceptable immigration document. DMV has the discretion to reject or to require additional evidence to verify your legal presence in the U.S., your identity and date of birth.
The following documents can be used as proof of U.S. Citizenship:
U.S. Government-issued birth document certified by a city, county, state or federal agency, including District of Columbia, U.S. Census Bureau or a U.S. Territory (American Samoa, Puerto Rico (issued on or after July 1, 2010), Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, and North Mariana Islands), however:
The document cannot be laminated
DMV will not accept birth documents issued by a non-government agency, such as a hospital issued birth certificate, hospital issued birth card, hospital issued birth registration or a baptismal certificate
Birth documents from the Canal Zone are only acceptable if the birth was prior to 1980;
U.S. Government-issued birth documents issued with the notation “FOREIGN BORN” AND “THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE OF UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP” is not acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship. To use this document additional immigration and/or court documentation will be required;
A U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240);
A Request for Verification of Birth (DD372) that must include date/signature of recruiting officer, and signature, date and official seal or stamp of the issuing Vital record agency;
Report of Child Born Abroad of American Parent(s);
A valid U.S. Passport, Passport Card, Emergency Passport or Territorial Passport, expired no more than 5 years (the passport cannot be hole-punched, have clipped corners or be marked "cancelled"); or
A tribal ID card issued by one of the following:
Confederated Tribe of Warm Springs Reservation of Oregon
Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians
Confederated Tribes of Umatilla Indian Reservation
Burns Paiute Reservation
Cow Creek Band of Umpqua Indians
Official Tribal Identification of the Klamath Tribes
Confederated Tribes of Grande Ronde Oregon
Confederated Tribes of Coos, Lower Umpqua, and Siuslaw Indians
Coquille Indian Tribe Enrollment Identification Card.
The following immigration documents can be used as proof of U.S. citizenship, U.S. naturalization, permanent lawful residence or temporary legal presence:
A valid Federated States of Micronesia (FSM) or Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) or Republic of Palau Passport expired no more than 5 years (the passport cannot be hole-punched, have clipped corners or be marked "cancelled"), must include Arrival/Departure Record (I-94);
A valid foreign passport not expired (the passport cannot be hole-punched, have clipped corners or be marked "cancelled") and includes one of the following:
Arrival/Departure Record (I-94, CBP I-94A)
A page within the passport stamped “Processed for I-551”
Notice of Action (I-797A), (Note: The I-797 is the receipt received showing that you have applied for a change or extension of your legal presence. DMV will only accept the I-797A approving the change requested as proof of your legal presence)
I-94 or CBP I-94A stamped "Refugee" or "Asylee" or "Paroled Until" or "Parolee";
I-94 with attached photo stamped "Upon endorsement serves as Temporary I-551 evidencing permanent residency for one year"; or
One of the following U.S. Department of Homeland Security documents, not expired:
Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
Certificate of Citizenship
Resident Alien Card or Permanent Resident Card
Certificate of Naturalization
Permit to Re-enter (I-327)
Refugee Travel Document (I-571)
Identification Card of Resident Citizens in the United States (I-179)
U.S. Citizen Identification Card (I-197).
If you hold a U.S. government-issued birth document that contains the notation “FOREIGN BORN” AND “THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE OF UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP” you will also need to present appropriate immigration and/or certified court documents as proof of your legal presence in the United States.
DMV verifies the completeness and authenticity of all immigration documents presented as proof of legal presence in the United States issued by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), United States Citizen and Immigration Services (USCIS) and Customs & Border Protection (CBP). Verification is done using the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements Program (SAVE). DMV cannot issue a driver license, permit or ID card if the immigration document presented as proof of legal presence does not verify. If you are a citizen of, a permanent resident of or legally present in the U.S. and do not have the required documents to prove your current full legal name, you may be eligible for a temporary permit.
Your full legal name is the name shown on your legal presence/identity document. If your current name is different than the name shown on your legal presence/identity document, you must present additional documentation proving your current legal name (see Proof of Your Full Legal Name above for more information).
If your date of birth is incorrect on your legal presence/identity document you must have the document corrected before it is acceptable as proof of your legal presence, full legal name, identity and/or date of birth.
For information about how to get proof of identity and legal presence, see Resources for Obtaining Identity and Legal Presence Documents below.
If you are having problems meeting requirements, you can contact a DMV Customer Assistance Specialist by calling your local DMV office or:
In the Portland metro area call (503) 299-9999;
In Salem call (503) 945-5000; or
In the Eugene/Springfield area call (541) 686-7855.
What even more funny is the first paragraph on their website...
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Motorists are not the only ones who need identification for airline trips, applying for jobs and housing, and to generally prove their identity, age, and residence. If you live in Oregon but don't drive, you can get a state-issued ID card instead of a driver's license.
The birth certificate(or other substantial documentation like immigration papers) is a requirement of the federal government to issue a "secure ID". The state has no choice.
Not sure why they would require that for renewal, your old license should be more than sufficient.
That's what I thought but I looked it up and you need it every time. Arizona issues DL valid until the driver's 65th birthday (or until revoked or suspended, I guess). How cool is that?
According to that list, the birth certificate or a passport is required. Everything else on that list is a birth certificate equivalent for foreign born.
There's no evidence that those people who came out to vote this time failed to do so previously because of id issues.
It's just as likely that those voters already had id's and came out to vote in greater numbers because they were angered by some issue...like requiring their grandmothers to get ids or because the threat of a great GOP majority in the NC Leg woke them up.
Keep getting folks riled up, GOP, it's the only good you're doing.
Voting records aren't tracked. When I went to vote I showed the poll person my ID, which they compared to a paper list manually, and then cast my vote.
This was the article from back in April, they have records and are capable of tracking. Notice the use of the words "potential" but no facts and thiswas potentially 765 voters in the entire state of NC.
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"Could it be voter fraud? Sure, it could be voter fraud," Strach said. "Could
it be an error on the part of a precinct person choosing the wrong person's name
in the first place? It could be. We're looking at each of these individual
cases."
According to that list, the birth certificate or a passport is required. Everything else on that list is a birth certificate equivalent for foreign born.
So? Did they throw out the BC? And the passport can even be expired for no more than 5 years....
Of course it's not racist. The whole racist thing is just an argument for groups that want to make it easier to commit voter fraud because they have no real argument.
According to that list, the birth certificate or a passport is required. Everything else on that list is a birth certificate equivalent for foreign born.
It's a requirement of the federal government, in PA they would first try and obtain the BC for you and if that failed would issue a "voting only" ID that was good for 10 years that required less documentation. You weren't getting on a plane with it though.
I suspect there are a lot of people in NC and other southern States, that have never had a Birth Cert... hell, until the late 60's, in the South blacks were barely considered to be people.
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