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Old 07-07-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I am plenty old. Fathered three children. I understand the science and biology, apparently better than you do.



How has the SCOTUS restricted you from getting pregnant when you want to?



You still haven't explained how any recent law says you have to ask your boss for permission.


Case law. Look it up.



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If you work for Hobby Lobby your doctor can still prescribe any drug he/she deems necessary. For a select few you may have to pay more for it. I think the majority of employers in the US will not have such restrictions. I bet yours doesn't.
Irrelevant. Religion should never, ever, ever decide which drugs a woman can be prescribed, unless you apply that to ALL drugs formerly part of someone's insurance. To single one out is discrimination.

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Compensation, including the breadth of coverage of medical, has ALWAYS varied from employer to employer.
Yeah, but now the government is involved. Funny how cons hate having government involved unless it involves women and sex.

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Medical plans are full of restrictions. They charge more for some drugs than others. They don't generally pay for cosmetic surgery. They don't pay for sex change procedures. Some of those restrictions will affect men and women differently. Read your policy.
But they've almost always included birth control because it costs them less in the long run that pregnancy. Now the government is involved. I always thought cons hated having the government interfere with business. I guess it's different when it involves women and sex.

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I do not believe Viagra is included in the Obamacare required coverage. Do you you believe otherwise?]
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? If it's included in a company's insurance policy (as birth control was for HL BEFORE the ACA), and the boss decides it's against his religion so that older men now have to go outside their insurance to get their medication and no one else does, do you think that's a good thing? Or does it strike you as discrimination?

 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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I don't celebrate the 4th of July as of late. Not because I am angry at the government or anything, but because its not as fun for me as it used to be.

After a couple incidents of me accidentally setting a neighbors vehicle on fire, and a errant bottle rocket or two...Well lets just say me and fireworks have a awesome and dangerous relationship that terrifies my neighbors. Soooo...in the interest of not terrifying them I had to tone that down.

And then...my mom died on the 4th several years back, while I was holding her hand and talking to her. It kind of took the fun out of the holiday.

I figure another year or two and I will go back to scaring the neighbors.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post

Case law. Look it up.
You are lazy repeating "case law" over and over. Did the SCOTUS ruling deny YOU paid for contraceptives? Simple question.

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Irrelevant. Religion should never, ever, ever decide which drugs a woman can be prescribed, unless you apply that to ALL drugs formerly part of someone's insurance. To single one out is discrimination.
Unless your doctor cites religion in a refusal to prescribe medication to you, religion has NOT decided what drugs can be prescribed. You have yet to show me anything contrary. I don't want religion involved either. But a company with a legitimate religious foundation, may choose to not include certain drugs in its medical plan. That's what the SCOTUS did. I have reservations about future application of this ruling. But it hasn't denied you, or women in general, anything.

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Yeah, but now the government is involved. Funny how cons hate having government involved unless it involves women and sex.
I am not a "con." I just don't agree with your reactionary assessment of this issue. It was the government that ruled on Roe vs. Wade, wasn't it? It was the government that passed the 19th amendment, correct? Government can do good things.

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But they've almost always included birth control because it costs them less in the long run that pregnancy. Now the government is involved. I always thought cons hated having the government interfere with business. I guess it's different when it involves women and sex.
Most plans do cover birth control. I'm not against that. I'd much rather prevent an unwanted pregnancy than abort it. The recent ruling backs the government ever so slightly away from telling a business what to do.

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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? If it's included in a company's insurance policy (as birth control was for HL BEFORE the ACA), and the boss decides it's against his religion so that older men now have to go outside their insurance to get their medication and no one else does, do you think that's a good thing? Or does it strike you as discrimination?
You objected to female specific policy differences, didn't you? Didn't you object to coverage of Viagra? I believe most plans do not cover Viagra.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Yes, and by the mid and late '70s, I had unrestricted access to abortion and birth control. There were no religious nut jobs hanging around to spit on women, no political campaigns to destroy Planned Parenthood, no restrictions on insurance coverage of BC because Jesus, and no old men in political or judicial power telling me that having sex = sl*t. All true and ubiquitous in today's society.

You know what is really hilarious about your rant? None of the above would be controversial if liberal lawyers never brought all of this into the realm of the federal government. This should all be handled at the state level and when you sought out SCOTUS you stepped your foot in dookie.

Liberals incorrectly thought government would be the great mediator. When it backfired into your faces you got peed off.

Go ahead and use the term RWNJ all you want, LWNJ. Most people don't really give a damn until you start ramming it down their throats. It's a progressive tactic, keep nipping at their heels until they give over and never let up even when you have your way. And you wonder why people are apathetic toward the issue.

IMO...Take your BC, and have all the abortions you want but, it is a lifestyle choice so you need pay for it yourself. Do you smoke/drink? Same thing.
Don't ask SCOTUS or the American public to bend over and placate you for that which is of your own doing.

If this upset Independence Day for you I would hate to see Christmas day and the thoughts you have about gift buying. Is it the fault of the country if you can't afford to buy that Lexus with a big red bow?

Keep up the racist "old white men" remarks and see how much less people care.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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And please point out which lie I have told. I'll wait.
Are you really sure you want me to do that? Oh, well. I'll risk making you look the fool.

Here they are and they're real whoppers (Sorry, Burger King) because I never said them.
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You believe that women are inferior creatures whose healthcare should be decided by their employers and/or religious figures. You believe that ONLY women in their reproductive years should have these restrictions. You believe that a medication ONLY used by women should be removed from their compensation package.
How pitiful that you have to resort to fantasy and lying to try to make your non-points. And now I'm done with you because obviously your perceptions are your reality and the truth is immaterial. I think that's a recipe for delusion.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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As long as i'm an American, i'll celebrate the 4th and commemorate the men that died to make this country free of British Tyranny.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don't celebrate holidays. They're nonsense.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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As long as i'm an American, i'll celebrate the 4th and commemorate the men that died to make this country free of British Tyranny.
I agree. I celebrated the 4th with friends and family this weekend. It was a day of fun, to enjoy the quality of life we have.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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As long as i'm an American, i'll celebrate the 4th and commemorate the men that died to make this country free of British Tyranny.
Hear! Hear! What a shame patriotism has all but become passé.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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Hear! Hear! What a shame patriotism has all but become passé.
I don't get the 4th of July haters. It makes no sense to me.

There are only 3 holidays i care about with a passion...Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Thanksgiving. And as far as i'm concerned, only emergency services should be open on those days. The rest of this country should be CLOSED and out celebrating with fireworks, BBQ's, Parades, and basking in what we all think of as Americana.
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