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Old 07-07-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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So the answer to my question is.....??
It was a rhetorical question, why don't you make your own points next time.

Parents of course but when the parents absolutely fail, then you have society and city/govt. programs that should step in.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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Politicians or apathy towards the poor?

If so, that isn't a problem exclusive to Chicago. Housing discrimination has been going on for over 60 years in the Northern part of this country.
No problem is exclusive to any one place.

It's not even housing discrimination but where cities choose to "stash" the poor.

The bottom line is that Chicago has created isolated places to stash poor people so they don't mess with the nicer areas. Look where the bad neighborhoods are....cut off by interstates and other barriers like rail tracks.

When these areas have predictably high levels of violence, they publically blame other parts of the country for making guns available.

Chicago isn't being picked on, they actively blame guns, the NRA etc. for their own societal problems.

P.S. Read up on how MLK's visit to Chicago went back in the early 60's.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: WY
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Even after recent Supreme Court decisions, Chicago still has some of the strictest "gun control" laws in the nation.

How's that working out for them?

Maybe they should enact even more laws restricting the guns of law-abiding people, while the shooters and murderers keep ignoring them. Yeah, that'll work.
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And in other news, my husband and I spent a lot of time hiking out on BLM land in back of our house this past long weekend. We both carried guns because there are rattlesnakes and coyotes out on BLM land. There has also been a report of a wolf but we haven't seen it yet. When we go into the mountains we carry bigger guns because there are definitely wolves and bears.

We didn't shoot anyone, and didn't care if we wandered the south side or the north side of the nearest butte because we felt safe going anywhere we pleased. In a few months we'll go out there and if all goes well we'll bag a deer to put in the freezer this winter.

Chicago is a violent sh*t hole town. Those 80-some people who got shot were either thug gang bangers or innocents who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the conversations about guns nobody wants to talk about getting them out of the hands of the gang bangers. 'Cause that would be racist. Or something. Nobody wants to have the conversations that need to be had about how to really solves this issue and authorities have no stomach for, and no real desire to, really "work the problem".

They would rather push to take guns away from everybody, because ultimately that's the real agenda. They know it. We know it. Everybody knows it.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And in other news, my husband and I spent a lot of time hiking out on BLM land in back of our house this past long weekend. We both carried guns because there are rattlesnakes and coyotes out on BLM land. There has also been a report of a wolf but we haven't seen it yet. When we go into the mountains we carry bigger guns because there are definitely wolves and bears.

We didn't shoot anyone, and didn't care if we wandered the south side or the north side of the nearest butte because we felt safe going anywhere we pleased. In a few months we'll go out there and if all goes well we'll bag a deer to put in the freezer this winter.

Chicago is a violent sh*t hole town. Those 80-some people who got shot were either thug gang bangers or innocents who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the conversations about guns nobody wants to talk about getting them out of the hands of the gang bangers. 'Cause that would be racist. Or something. Nobody wants to have the conversations that need to be had about how to really solves this issue and authorities have no stomach for, and no real desire to, really "work the problem".

They would rather push to take guns away from everybody, because ultimately that's the real agenda. They know it. We know it. Everybody knows it.
Nobody is trying to take your guns away. Also if you want to solve the problem with gang violence, it isn't about taking guns out of gang members hands, it is about making it so they don't desire to go for a gun to begin with.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Nobody is trying to take your guns away.
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I've lost track of the number of times this lie has been debunked on this forum....
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:51 PM
 
Location: WY
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Nobody is trying to take your guns away. Also if you want to solve the problem with gang violence, it isn't about taking guns out of gang members hands, it is about making it so they don't desire to go for a gun to begin with.
THAT'S it! That's the conversation the pols don't want to have because if they had that conversation they would have to acknowledge all the problems that are discussed on this board and more. Failing schools. Absent fathers. Drugs and alcohol and generational poverty and single motherhood and lack of job opportunities and mentors for young people (particularly young men). They don't want to go there. So it's easier to go with the gun angle:

Instead, it is easier to blame weak gun laws:
Chicago's top cop: Blame weak gun laws for violence - CNN.com

"These criminals need to be held fully accountable for their actions" - quote from the police chief in the interview. "Gang bangers fear the loss of their gun than they fear going to jail for possessing a gun". Another observation from the police chief. Those observations (and the actions that need to be taken in response to those observations) isn't rocket science.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Even after recent Supreme Court decisions, Chicago still has some of the strictest "gun control" laws in the nation.

How's that working out for them?

Maybe they should enact even more laws restricting the guns of law-abiding people, while the shooters and murderers keep ignoring them. Yeah, that'll work.

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11 Killed, At Least 60 Wounded In Citywide Shootings This Weekend « CBS Chicago

11 Killed, At Least 60 Wounded In Citywide Shootings This Weekend

July 7, 2014 7:04 AM

CHICAGO (CBS) – At least 11 people were killed and 60 others were wounded over the long holiday weekend, from Thursday afternoon, to early Monday morning.

There were also six police-involved shootings, two of them involving teens who were killed.
Guess those gun right advocates who claimed making cc legal in Chicago was going to drastically reduce shootings may have been too optimistic.


The majotity of this weekend's shootings were once again black on black crimes, boys and young men shooting other boys and young men. Some of it is gang related and some appears to be random shootings.
And then there's the added aspect of alcohol infused shootings because someone left a drink in a plastic cup on the hood of a car. The car owner became enraged and began shooting into the crowd. One onlooker with a CC permit shot back and got him.
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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No problem is exclusive to any one place.

It's not even housing discrimination but where cities choose to "stash" the poor.

The bottom line is that Chicago has created isolated places to stash poor people so they don't mess with the nicer areas. Look where the bad neighborhoods are....cut off by interstates and other barriers like rail tracks.

When these areas have predictably high levels of violence, they publically blame other parts of the country for making guns available.

Chicago isn't being picked on, they actively blame guns, the NRA etc. for their own societal problems.

P.S. Read up on how MLK's visit to Chicago went back in the early 60's.
I am agreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that cities "stashing" the poor in areas is not exclusive to Chicago at all. Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, NYC, Buffalo, Cleveland, Rochester, NY are just a few more notables. They are all highly segregated and have no shortage of affluent areas.
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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How many of these ****head gangbangers get a slap on the wrist for gun offenses? Give them an automatic 15 year sentence with no parole for just being caught with an illegal gun, 50 years for a shooting incident, life or death penalty for murder.
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Old 07-07-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Default 71 people shot in Chicago over 4th of July weekend

Hey, it could be worse.

How does Chicago compare with Iraq?
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