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Old 07-08-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Laws prevent immediate deportation and there's no place to hold them all, pending court.

Ankle brackets anyone?
How about changing the law? Immediate deportation.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I agree, the employer is where we should start on enforcement.

If there are no jobs for them to do, they won't come.
Most states can't even be bothered to implement E- verify.

Truth be told, consumers would be none to thrilled to have to compete for US resources to build/remodel/ repair their homes, mow their grass, clean their homes and offices, wash the dishes and cook thir food in restaurant kitchens. Seems to me we want all the benefits of cheap labor and then turn around and blame big bad government.

Bush attempted immigration reform, including Dream Act provisions, twice during his two terms. Despite bipartisan support the push back from conservatives within his own party killed it. And here we are a decade later and nothing has changed.

No reason for the house to develop their own plan when they can get milage on blaming Obama for problems going on since the early 50's.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Crisis on the border? Haven't immigrants or illegal aliens been crossing our border for decades?
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The overwhelming majority are unaccompanied minors. The projections I am reading are 70,000 unaccompanied children. A few hundred or thousand single moms in the mix are a drop in the bucket.
Actual numbers so far are mouth dropping though...

190,000 illegals apprehended since October in just the Rio Grande Valley.
And apprehensions are a fraction of the total number.

You have multiple planeloads (200-400) being flown to various cities 2-3 times a week indefinitely.
That's 1200 a week to a single city. And how many cities is the Fed flying them to ?

And then you have military bases converted to orphanages for those with no relatives.

The WH projections are way off.


A flood of poor migrants pours daily into South Texas - The Denver Post
Just since October, the Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley sector has made more than 194,000 arrests, nearly triple that of any other sector. In the first week of June alone, agents in this area south of Mission arrested more than 2,800 people, most from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, making it the highest-volume arrest zone on the entire U.S. border.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How about changing the law? Immediate deportation.
I think it a tad more complicated when the deportee is from a non- contiguous nation as these children are.
Mexico does not want them.

The US needs the cooperation of these nations to allow US planes loaded with children to land and for these corrupt governments owned by the cartels to accept the human cargo.

Cooperation =time and $$$$$$$$$$

This is a serious mess with no easy answers.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I think it a tad more complicated when the deportee is from a non- contiguous nation as these children are.
Mexico does not want them.

The US needs the cooperation of these nations to allow US planes loaded with children to land and for these corrupt governments owned by the cartels to accept the human cargo.

Cooperation =time and $$$$$$$$$$

This is a serious mess with no easy answers.
Nonsense! That is the liberal song: it is too hard to kick them out, so we have to have amnesty for everyone. Take them from the river to the plane and have them out of the country before their clothes are dry.
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:15 PM
 
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Perception is reality. You knew that, right?
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False. The 2012 Dream order is only applicable to kids where here continuously for at least 5 yeas. But hey, you knew that, right?

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals: A Q&A Guide (Updated) | Immigration Policy Center
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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We need to repair our immigration system. We can not 100% secure the border with Mexico. We don't have the money or the will to do that right now.

We need to let immigration start back again like it used to be when the Irish came over. Read some news articles from that time, the exact same things were said of the Irish, as are said of the Hispanic illegal immigrant population today.
Already tried it and here we go again!

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.

The act required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status; made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants; legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and; legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.

It was amnesty and it is the law of the land.

Using every ploy to turn the country blue democrats now demand yet another amnesty in order to secure the border yet securing the border is one huge joke and they know it.

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress

Why not just open the gates and leave em open for anyone that wants to come in as long as they vote democrat and work for low wages?
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Old 07-08-2014, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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And these 50,000 "kids" are all victims of trafficking ?
This administration is the one waving those laws in our face saying their hands are tied.

If they are victims of "trafficking" then why are they being released to their parents that are here ?
Over 65% are released to parents/relatives already in the US regardless of status.
Trafficking is only part of the story. There's more going on here.

Who is profiting off the influx?
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Nonsense! That is the liberal song: it is too hard to kick them out, so we have to have amnesty for everyone. Take them from the river to the plane and have them out of the country before their clothes are dry.
And where does that plane fly to?

And what if Guatamala declines to allow the plane the privlege to land or unload the human cargo? This is so beyond left vs right US politics.

This situation bears some resemblance to the influx of Cuban refugees in Florida, decades ago. That went on for decades and forever changed Miami. While the Cuban influx was substantial, 90 miles of sea meant only so many dared and not all of them made it.
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