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Legal immigrants get health checks before they come here illegal aliens do not. The difference is obvious and so are the results.
The vast majority of visitors to the USA are neither legal or illegal immigrants. They are simply visitors here for business or pleasure. There are over 60 milllion visitors. And that includes some from exotic locations where strange diseases exist. These simply overwhelm a million legals and some hundreds of thousands of illegals. So illegals are pretty much healthy youngsters with far less chance of infecting anyone than the 60 million visitors we admit every year.
We just had a rash of TB cases here in Las Vegas. The source? A Californian Citizen who apparently had some south american cheese.
Perry has publicly stated and congressmen have stated that their constituents want the border secured. At least one Democrat Congressman in Texas has been inundated with upset constituents--upset that nothing is being done to stop the flow. Texans are not stupid. They see who it is that is actually coming into their state, and Perry describes it as being under seige.
Perry has publicly stated that if Obama would send national guard to the borders, it would really help secure the border. Obama did not do so. Of course nothing is 100% secure, but the border patrol has been pulled off to deal with the children, leaving the border wide open. It's been established that only a minor portion of the people flooding across the border are minor children. The rest need to be turned around, which can be done in some part by extra border patrol or national guard. And I'm not talking about a fence right now.
How we would all love it if the minors were given fast hearings and quick deportations, with any adults that came with them. And then you have Pelosi telling American citizens the minors should be treated like Baby Jesus. All children should be treated with great care and love. These kinds of comments though from Pelosi, Reid, Biden do not equate to quick hearings and deportation. These people are being put on planes and sent to parts of the country. If they have family in the US, they are being released. These actions do not lends themselves to fast deportation. They can't even find some of these people.
Nobody is refusing to fund quick justice. The amount requested was ridiculous--a lower amount is being considered, and it appears for now it is bipartisan. The quick action needed was for the law to be followed. That's not been done in years. Nobody is cutting off their nose to spite their face. They are coming over the border because they were invited.
We are not disagreeing on many points. Of course the children are intending to be caught. They know they will be cared for. Quick hearings and deportations are best. We agree. That won't be done for the vast majority of children, let alone the adults pouring over.
But you have to see that the children are such a very, small, minor number pouring over the border, tying up our Border Patrol. I applaud Perry's action to do something to deter the gang members, adults, criminals, and middle east immigrants coming over the border.
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Originally Posted by lvoc
At least describe what is happening correctly.
Children are not smashing the border. What they are doing is taking advantage of a section of the border that cannot workably be sealed to give themselves up to the border patrol. They intend to be caught. As a result they commit no crime and are in fact in the US lawfully once they check in with BP.
And the border cannot be secured at those sites without great damage to the locals who will resist it. The Rio Grande is navigable and the banks are in private or public ownership. To secure it you would have to seize the river front property and build a fence some distance back from the water. The Texans are going to strongly resist any such acts.
The appropriate response to all this would be fast hearing and quick deportations as the President has proposed. There is enough support for the minors to prevent a change to the law depriving the minors of their court hearings. So quick justice is the only approach available...but that is being blocked by refusing to fund it.
All in all we continue to cut off our nose to spite our face.
Once again, Ivoc, you missed the point regarding the diseases and are off on a whole other tangent. The credibility being destroyed is yours. Actually, in this message you are saying that a good portion of the kids may get to stay and then in more recent messages you are saying they are being deported. And I'll respond to those in other messages.
My message is quite clear and accurate. The minors get a hearing and some will be allowed to stay. Normally something around half would qualify but it is likely that the politics will inevitably lower that percentage. But some will stay.
The object is to get it resolved quickly so those not getting asylum are swiftly deported to discourage others. If it takes five years the illegals have really won the battle. And likely more will come.
You folk appear to want what you can't have and, if you can't have it, you will refuse anything that makes the problem less. My way or no way...it is actually self defeating.
Agreed. Fortunately, Texans are ignoring them for the most part. Saw an interesting comment--Why are the children not being sent to states where Democrats are on shaky ground for this election. I don't know where they are being sent at this point, but it's an interesting comment.
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Originally Posted by freightshaker
Nothing like folks from say Maryland telling Texans how we should feel about illegal immigration. (Just using Maryland as an example. Could have used any non border state) I am glad these illegals are being shipped all over the country. They can share in what we have had to put up with for decades. I hope you all enjoy your new barrios.
What do you mean "you folk." No one is disagreeing with you on quick resolution and swift deportation. Problem is it's not happening, and there's a whole other group of problems with adults coming across in huge numbers compared to the children. No one is refusing anything that makes the problem less. Where are you getting your information?!?
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Originally Posted by lvoc
My message is quite clear and accurate. The minors get a hearing and some will be allowed to stay. Normally something around half would qualify but it is likely that the politics will inevitably lower that percentage. But some will stay.
The object is to get it resolved quickly so those not getting asylum are swiftly deported to discourage others. If it takes five years the illegals have really won the battle. And likely more will come.
You folk appear to want what you can't have and, if you can't have it, you will refuse anything that makes the problem less. My way or no way...it is actually self defeating.
Perry has publicly stated and congressmen have stated that their constituents want the border secured. At least one Democrat Congressman in Texas has been inundated with upset constituents--upset that nothing is being done to stop the flow. Texans are not stupid. They see who it is that is actually coming into their state, and Perry describes it as being under seige.
Perry has publicly stated that if Obama would send national guard to the borders, it would really help secure the border. Obama did not do so. Of course nothing is 100% secure, but the border patrol has been pulled off to deal with the children, leaving the border wide open. It's been established that only a minor portion of the people flooding across the border are minor children. The rest need to be turned around, which can be done in some part by extra border patrol or national guard. And I'm not talking about a fence right now.
How we would all love it if the minors were given fast hearings and quick deportations, with any adults that came with them. And then you have Pelosi telling American citizens the minors should be treated like Baby Jesus. All children should be treated with great care and love. These kinds of comments though from Pelosi, Reid, Biden do not equate to quick hearings and deportation. These people are being put on planes and sent to parts of the country. If they have family in the US, they are being released. These actions do not lends themselves to fast deportation. They can't even find some of these people.
Nobody is refusing to fund quick justice. The amount requested was ridiculous--a lower amount is being considered, and it appears for now it is bipartisan. The quick action needed was for the law to be followed. That's not been done in years. Nobody is cutting off their nose to spite their face. They are coming over the border because they were invited.
We are not disagreeing on many points. Of course the children are intending to be caught. They know they will be cared for. Quick hearings and deportations are best. We agree. That won't be done for the vast majority of children, let alone the adults pouring over.
But you have to see that the children are such a very, small, minor number pouring over the border, tying up our Border Patrol. I applaud Perry's action to do something to deter the gang members, adults, criminals, and middle east immigrants coming over the border.
You are not listening. Perry will not secure the border. That would deprive the Texans of access to the river. That is not going to happen. So let us see if we can at least get agreement on that. The river bank in that area is publicly or privately owned. Do you really believe that Perry is going to condemn those properties and secure the border?
Note there is no other way. If you wish to secure the border you must stop people from crossing the river. And the only place you can do that is on American land. hence cutting off the river on the US side.
Try and sell that to the Texans. should be very funny.
What do you mean "you folk." No one is disagreeing with you on quick resolution and swift deportation. Problem is it's not happening, and there's a whole other group of problems with adults coming across in huge numbers compared to the children. No one is refusing anything that makes the problem less. Where are you getting your information?!?
If you want it done you need to pay for it. You don't get a vote on what it costs and I will go with the governments estimate rather than a rump view from civilians. First thing is you have to retain a whole mess of people until you get the system running.
OTM constitute much of the same problem as the children. They claim asylum and rate a hearing. They don't get the full deal the children get but they still get a hearing.
The resources needed to deport the existing base is light by a factor of 5 or 10 times. That is why the right makes up magic solutions like self deportation. It won't happen but nobody wants to spend the actual money it takes to handle the problem. And the 3.7 billion is a rational sum and a drop in the bucket if it helps moderate this problem. But again the right won't spend the money.
So we are going to fix the problem with mystical cures until the illegal alien population again doubles.
Fence isn't stopping little children. Why our government is a trainwreck. So it goes.
What stops them? E-Verify? Give me a break. Even the 700 mile fence reduced immigration, so a full fence with double and triple fences in hot spots would certainly help.
What stops them? E-Verify? Give me a break. Even the 700 mile fence reduced immigration, so a full fence with double and triple fences in hot spots would certainly help.
Maybe the folks in Texas should pay to have it built if they feel so strongly about it.
No one is disagreeing with you on quick resolution and swift deportation. Problem is it's not happening
There's a specific reason for that. The tyrant in the Oval Office (Obama) issued an Executive Order in 2012 mirroring the DREAM Act when Congress wouldn't pass it:
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"An executive order by President Barack Obama allows those who entered the country illegally as children to remain and work without fear of deportation for at least two years."
Obama has no intention whatsoever of pursuing a quick resolution and swift deportation. He has already issued an executive order mandating otherwise. If he promised anything other than that he's lying (what else is new ). If any of Obama's supporters claim Obama is advocating swift deportation, they're either also deliberately lying, or they're severely under-informed (again, what else is new ).
Obama himself caused this problem via his temper tantrum 2012 DACA Executive Order. Word got out, and they're flooding the border. They don't show up for their deportation hearing, disappear for awhile, and then apply for relief under Obama's Executive Order.
The crushing demand on and collapse of the American social welfare safety net programs, brought to you by unions and Obama.
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). If any of Obama's supporters claim Obama is advocating swift deportation, they're either also deliberately lying, or they're severely under-informed (again, what else is new 
