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The individual poor person is a micrcosm of society, and we might remember great civilisations have come and gone many times before. All those achievers went down the plug hole in spite of their advantages, the poor were poor so did it hurt them as much to belong to the newly impoverished State.
That's precisely the point that I have made when I say the wealthy benefit more from the military, and legislation. They have more to lose.
Business is IN BUSINESS to make money. They are not intended to be a social welfare system.
And employees are not in the business of being slaves either. If you are a business, and you don't NEED an employee, then by all means, don't have one. But if you do, don't expect slaves.
And unlike businesses, where profits are at stake, employees usually have their life at stake.
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If the market dictates prices or wages at a level - that is what gets charged or paid.
The market once dictated generations of people born onto plantation who were property.
We've already learned that some posters believe that we should all work for the common good and that all businesses should function as a means to that end. That all people deserve equal assets without regard for the means needed, whether that person is lazy, ignorant, disabled, ambitious, or smart. It's a basic human right.
We've also seen the results of this type of society, many of which no longer exist.
You hyperbolize in almost every post some notion of socialism, at least the way YOU define it.
Can you please reproduce a post number where anyone has actually said exactly this?
And employees are not in the business of being slaves either. If you are a business, and you don't NEED an employee, then by all means, don't have one. But if you do, don't expect slaves.
And yet again, enter hyperbole. If I need an employee in the future, I'll expect both of us to come to agreeable terms of employment. If they don't agree to my terms, or I don't agree to theirs, we won't work together.
Now if they were working for me under force with no pay, that would be slavery. It's an insult to people around the world who are forced to work for no pay with their lives threatened to equate their situation to someone working at will for any salary.
Unfortunately in the USA we have a very high sense of entitlement. The gov owes us a living. Companies owe us a living. Give me more money or give me less work. Don't ask me to earn anything you owe it already. Americans once proud of their independence from social programs and fought to keep it that way are now looking for handouts where ever they can be found. Live within our means?? Why? Make the rich pay more so we can live like them.
I have yet to work at a company that didn't suffer losses of personnel by attrition without adding to the work load of those who chose to stay. And those people who chose to stay often did so, without pay increases. And sometimes the only way the work could be completed is if the salaried person works longer hours to do it. So yes, there is some money owed.
I didn't specify any particular poster, so this may not include you. Yet, there are those who consider themselves "socialists", or Marxist, though they don't like that label.
Nearly everyone believes in helping those who truly need help. However, the biggest gripe is some people advocating using the government to forcefully enslave other people in order to pay for the responsibilities of a third party.
"forcefully enslaving" is more than hyperbole. It just doesn't mesh with any sense of reality. And remember, social services are only a small fraction of tax dollars which are by majority paid by the MIDDLE CLASS, not the wealthy.
A lot of people, both on the left and right give a lot of lip service about uplifting the poor, but at the end of the day, they really don't mean it. Especially when it comes to black folks, most white people in this country have the mentality of just wanting them out of sight, out of mind, and how dare black people actually want to have equal rights and learn how to better themselves? We should just be grateful that they ain't lynching us anymore, huh?
That's actually what is is all about. It's a form of veiled racism, in spite the fact that most poor people in America are white.
And employees are not in the business of being slaves either. If you are a business, and you don't NEED an employee, then by all means, don't have one. But if you do, don't expect slaves.
And unlike businesses, where profits are at stake, employees usually have their life at stake.
The market once dictated generations of people born onto plantation who were property.
A straw man argument? Come now, we can do better than that!
You could have said that the imperialization and cannibalism of this capitalistic free market is strangeling the life out of the proletariat, its consumers and producers and that the methods used in the free market are not fair to the common worker.
Much more eloquent and not a distortion of the original argument.
What is interesting, however, is that we're not a true "free market" because we incorporate communistic methods on the said "free market". I.E. the regulation of prices and goods.
On a side note; most people do have Marxist views on the market place, you just have to look carefully. Like most common workers believe they should recieve an equal share of the goods they produce.
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