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Old 07-15-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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Do you think union members would go for that? Such a tax would eat into their pension funds which are all in investments and depend on capital gains to fund the union members' pensions. Would union members (teachers, police, fire, municipal workers, AFL-CIO, SEIU, Teamsters, etc., all be willing to accept lower pensions to pay that increased capital gains tax?
Pensions and 401K's are are usually qualified plans and are already taxed at ordinary rates.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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Social security is a safety net, not an investment plan.
If the rich don't even need safety net insurance, why do they have to buy it? Do those who don't have a boat have to buy boat insurance? Do those who don't have a motorcycle have to buy motorcycle insurance?

Federal INSURANCE Contributions Act

"Social Insurance Programs"
Social Security Programs in the United States
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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If the rich don't even need safety net insurance, why do they have to buy it? Do those who don't have a boat have to buy boat insurance? Do those who don't have a motorcycle have to buy motorcycle insurance?

Federal INSURANCE Contributions Act

"Social Insurance Programs"
Social Security Programs in the United States
Ohhh I don't know....maybe because they are part of a society?

hey did you know our military is part of a defense budget?
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:16 PM
 
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Pensions and 401K's are are usually qualified plans and are already taxed at ordinary rates.
The capital gains earned on the plans' investments are not.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:21 PM
 
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Ohhh I don't know....maybe because they are part of a society?
So is the federal income tax, and yet 47% of those who receive an income pay no federal income tax whatsoever.

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hey did you know our military is part of a defense budget?
Has nothing to do with federal insurance programs.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:21 PM
 
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The capital gains earned on the plans' investments are not.
What plan doesn't tax gains at the ordinary rate?
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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The capital gains earned on the plans' investments are not.
Are these taxed at all though?

Life insurance and retirement accounts often have special rules with regard to taxation; I'm not an expert but it's not a safe assumption to take as a given that qualified pension plans are paying capital gains on their reserves. Not saying they do or don't since I don't know, just that I wouldn't take it as a given.

Maybe there is someone reading this who works in the field or is willing to google up the relevant information for us. I tried it but eh, couldn't find any answers in five minutes and not inclined to keep digging.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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So is the federal income tax, and yet 47% of those who receive an income pay no federal income tax whatsoever.

Has nothing to do with federal insurance programs.


Its also not always used for DEFENSE. Did you not notice the bolding.....just like yours?

Nice conflating federal taxation, and social security though. subtle.

Look are you for taxation to tax someones base income needed to survive? Im not. I find that morally offensive, just like some of the founding fathers did. So quit whining about the 47%, its sad.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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So is the federal income tax, and yet 47% of those who receive an income pay no federal income tax whatsoever.

Has nothing to do with federal insurance programs.


Out if those 47% how many are solely living on SS, disability, or military disability
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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What plan doesn't tax gains at the ordinary rate?
Phasing out due to eligible retirees ages, but...
Tax Topics - Topic 412 Lump-Sum Distributions
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