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Old 07-20-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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Jimmy Carter was considered the smartest president by IQ, if I recall, and look where his intelligence got this country. Smarts is a small part of leadership and success.

Fun discussion, and for the record, I think Obama is in the top ten, but not the top.

My ranking would be (admitting I have a spotty knowledge of the presidents' talents):

1. Jefferson, 2. James Madison, 3. Lincoln, 4. Adams, 5. Woodrow Wilson, 6. Bill Clinton, 7. Richard Nixon, 8. Jimmy Carter, 9. Teddy Roosevelt, 10. Barack Obama.

Admittedly, I am biased towards the founding fathers, as their collective genius and its consequences are manifest. Also, I have no problem admitting flawed men like Nixon and Clinton were jaw-droppingly gifted. Few things are more common than talent poorly applied, or even self-sabotaged. I tell this to my son all the time.

I would guess that all of these men have IQs of over 130 or so, some notable higher. But in any case, they would be in the top 1-2% of the population of the USA at least, and damn smart. I would suspect that the standard should be pretty strict. We should demand very high intelligence of our president, given the complexity of the job.

This could be balanced a bit with a recognition from studies of almost all things that matter in life achievement, that there seems to be a very weak correlation between life success and achievement when IQs exceed about 120 or so. At that point, you are smart, and questions of character, drive, focus, stamina, emotional intelligence, resources, and opportunity tend to overwhelm the effect of pure processing power. Given the complexity of the presidency, I would say it is exceptionally cognitively demanding, requiring the ability to absorb huge amounts of information, and to make decisions with at least minimal awareness of many possible consequences (Bush's Iraq debacle is an example of failing in that). However, even this executive competence is only one dimension of leadership, which is a whole other interesting thing. I think a separate thread on leadership would be interesting.

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Old 07-20-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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Lol... I probably have more education than you will ever have, son. You've got to be kiddin me lol...
Surprisingly, you sure haven't exhibited it here. You own some of the least educated and idiotic remarks in the whole thread.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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Obama doesn't even qualify to be listed as a 'president'.
Did I hallucinate Obama being twice elected president? If not being elected president, then what qualifies one to be listed as a president???
 
Old 07-20-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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Did I hallucinate Obama being twice elected president? If not being elected president, then what qualifies one to be listed as a president???
Yep, the wingers post stuff like that (Obama is not a REAL president!!!!), and expect folks to listen to their other points of view. Folks are just too ideological these days.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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Surprisingly, you sure haven't exhibited it here. You own some of the least educated and idiotic remarks in the whole thread.
Just because I dont agree with some folks on here that makes my remarks idiotic? If you say so. I'm done going back and forth with some of you clowns.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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