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Funny thing. You want to pay less for an employee? Hire someone with a record. Be that second chance. However, expect that about 80% of these employees will get fired by you. The remaining 20% will be loyal for life because without you no one is giving them a chance.
I was a office manager for a while, we would hire folks from homeless shelters, because my boss wanted to give folks a second chance.
The pay was pretty good, but he paid lower then industry average. In exchange we had to deal with occasional death threats, keyed vehicles, etc. Because while he gave second chances, he wasnt going to tolerate poor behavior on the job.
Saw some crazy stuff, but the folks he saved? That was kinda awesome.
um, next time take a jar along with a lid, go inside the car and have some respect for others and they're children....you knew you were going, you knew you'd be drinking, you knew there were no bathrooms....what were you thinking?
I was young, and secondly, and I was being discreet about it. Luckily where we parked was up against a wall, and more secluded than being out in the open. Finally, given the circumstances if I saw someone doing the same, I wouldn't be like "OH MY GOD, HE'S PEEING IN PUBLIC!" Especially if he is trying to be discreet about it. It's not like the guy is purposely walking around with his junk hanging out chasing people.
Ever been tailgating at a Kansas City Chiefs game, and had to pee really bad, and there are no restrooms nearby, or out houses, and absolutely couldn't hold it? I've tailgated at a Browns game in that situation, and wasn't exactly close to the stadium, nor were there out houses. Therefore, I opened the car door so as to be a bit discreet about it, and had a few folks stand with their backs turned so I could do my business. I didn't like having to do it, and was scared to death of getting caught, but sometimes nature calls. BTW I was like 22 at the time, nor did I get caught.
Why they have porta poddies on the lot.
We aren't talking about this situation though. Some clown who is so drunk he whizzes out in the public. I would not hire him would you? I mean hell it probably doesn't even get on your record but if it does then you got more problems than whizzing in public. I have no sympathy for folks who do stupid sheet. And it aint one time if it's on your record you do it over and over. Not on my workforce if I had one IMO. Football fans.........hey at halftime back in the day folks would run to the bathroom, sink, trash can, whatever. Whole different world there at the stadium brudder............lol
I was young, and secondly, and I was being discreet about it. Luckily where we parked was up against a wall, and more secluded than being out in the open. Finally, given the circumstances if I saw someone doing the same, I wouldn't be like "OH MY GOD, HE'S PEEING IN PUBLIC!" Especially if he is trying to be discreet about it. It's not like the guy is purposely walking around with his junk hanging out chasing people.
I agree.............yet it is still against the law and if you get caught.........you get caught. Hell we have all done things against the dreaded law. You get caught you pay the consequences though. One of those is you have a record you don't get hired. Simple stuff.
Funny thing. You want to pay less for an employee? Hire someone with a record. Be that second chance. However, expect that about 80% of these employees will get fired by you. The remaining 20% will be loyal for life because without you no one is giving them a chance.
I was a office manager for a while, we would hire folks from homeless shelters, because my boss wanted to give folks a second chance.
The pay was pretty good, but he paid lower then industry average. In exchange we had to deal with occasional death threats, keyed vehicles, etc. Because while he gave second chances, he wasnt going to tolerate poor behavior on the job.
Saw some crazy stuff, but the folks he saved? That was kinda awesome.
Yes I feel a second chance is at hand for many..............yet I would not be the one giving it if I owned a business. That is the key thing. You (not you but those that do) blew it once and I would not take a chance on one unless I knew em personally. See ya once I see they have a record IMO.
I was young, and secondly, and I was being discreet about it. Luckily where we parked was up against a wall, and more secluded than being out in the open. Finally, given the circumstances if I saw someone doing the same, I wouldn't be like "OH MY GOD, HE'S PEEING IN PUBLIC!" Especially if he is trying to be discreet about it. It's not like the guy is purposely walking around with his junk hanging out chasing people.
I understand, you were young, fortunately you didn't get caught.
I had a girlfriend who owned a motel, on the beach, and once in a while, they had males come on their property and pee, in their garden, so disgusing, when there were businesses around and a public bathroom across the street, so forgive me for being really anil about it, I just think it is disgusting. Like peeing in a pool....God, human beings can be really disgusting.....
anyway, TMI, no one accused you of the latter, no need to be gross....
I've been out looking for a new job and every place requires a background check and a credit check too nowdays. I used to work in a casino in IT so they had it all on me so I am fine. Thing is you damn well know that nobody wants to hire a convicted felon. Would anybody? Hell no. Unless you grew up with em and were friends or what have you. No reason to do it. Sorry felon I don't feel for you..........go live in the dirt where you belong. The victims of these perps didn't get a second chance why should they? Get out the noose and hang em all. Clear out the prisons for more.
Wow..... hang em all huh? In a country that jails a higher percentage of the population than anywhere else in the world. Do you not think that may be, just may be, less people should be sent to jail in the US? Plus perhaps less would go back to jail if they're given a chance?
People, especially young people make mistakes. Get involved with the wrong crowd - it happens. It seems from what I read here, many folks think they should be punished the rest of their lives.
Wow..... hang em all huh? In a country that jails a higher percentage of the population than anywhere else in the world. Do you not think that may be, just may be, less people should be sent to jail in the US? Plus perhaps less would go back to jail if they're given a chance?
People, especially young people make mistakes. Get involved with the wrong crowd - it happens. It seems from what I read here, many folks think they should be punished the rest of their lives.
Different argument all together.
You're talking about the quality (or lack there of) of the crimes that they are convicted of.
If someone gets caught with 2 marijuana plants growing on their back lot at 18, they are now a felon. I agree, jailing this poor child at all is asinine and stupid. They weren't selling drugs, they were growing their own. While I don't think 18 year olds should smoke pot, they do it anyway.
I agree we over jail. 70% of all convicted felons are there for non violent drug offenses, at last I heard. Now that could be crack, meth, pot, coke, any number of substances, but the point is, they are non violent drug offenses.
End the war on drugs tomorrow, release 70% of the inmate population. You'd make a whole lot of law enforcement agencies, prisons, their private owners, and pharmaceutical companies very upset.
Of course I say **** on them, let them find work elsewhere, but thats just me, and unfortunately our numbers do not add up to a significant majority of the population at this time. But our numbers grow with each day when people realize how stupid it is to lock someone up for drugs. Fine them, arrest them, make them do all kinds of bull****, but jail? No
People who rant that kids who did something stupid at 18 or 19 years of age are lifelong criminals who don't deserve a chance at supporting themselves are lying to themselves.
We are NOT talking about pedos and violent offenders!
Nearly everyone does something that could have gotten themselves thrown in jail if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The classic 16 year old girlfriend/boyfriend turns 18 really happens. So does the bad luck when a clean cut kid takes someone for a ride who - surprise! - ends up to have drugs on them, and everyone in the car goes to jail. Neurobiologists have determined that brains don't totally mature until the mid 20s!
I do believe in a second chance type program, excluding violent convictions or anyone with ANY kind of repeat conviction. Maybe add on that it needs to be under age 25, or some other conditions, because no I don't want to screw society by siccing bad people on them. I want to boost up society by adding back contributors who are currently prevented from leading 60 years of a productive life because they got caught and you didn't.
Something like this already exists in the form of youthful adjudication, but only in some states, at the judge's discretion, and always under 21. The 5 years of mowing lawns and being a freakin' good person don't come into play like they could with an intelligently designed second chance program.
You're talking about the quality (or lack there of) of the crimes that they are convicted of.
If someone gets caught with 2 marijuana plants growing on their back lot at 18, they are now a felon. I agree, jailing this poor child at all is asinine and stupid. They weren't selling drugs, they were growing their own. While I don't think 18 year olds should smoke pot, they do it anyway.
I agree we over jail. 70% of all convicted felons are there for non violent drug offenses, at last I heard. Now that could be crack, meth, pot, coke, any number of substances, but the point is, they are non violent drug offenses.
End the war on drugs tomorrow, release 70% of the inmate population. You'd make a whole lot of law enforcement agencies, prisons, their private owners, and pharmaceutical companies very upset.
Of course I say **** on them, let them find work elsewhere, but thats just me, and unfortunately our numbers do not add up to a significant majority of the population at this time. But our numbers grow with each day when people realize how stupid it is to lock someone up for drugs. Fine them, arrest them, make them do all kinds of bull****, but jail? No
I agree with what you say. I should have said I meant minor criminals, not murderers! It seems in America retribution, and punishment for minor crimes are uppermost in some folk's mind. The drug laws are a joke all over the western world, especially the punishments dealt out for pot. I hastily add I have never used any illegal drugs. When I was growing up, drugs weren't around to the extent they are nowadays.... or so I'm told.
The idea of jailing someone for growing a couple of marijuana plants is just so laughable, but the 'jail 'em, hang 'em crowd are thankfully dying off.
I hear what you say about releasing many of the non violent jail population. But the private jail machine needs product! Just so sad, and ridiculous.
Non violent criminals need someone to give them a chance. Surely one time offenders. If you don't, and they can't find legal work, if you say, "serves 'em right. Punish them all their lives,' well, what are they supposed to do? Many become career criminals, and are in and out of prison.
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BTW I was like 22 at the time, nor did I get caught.
