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View Poll Results: Should we redirect foreign aid funds to building a Border Fence?
Yes 40 74.07%
No 13 24.07%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 07-17-2014, 05:14 AM
 
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If you don't mind four dollar tomatoes and paying proportionately more for everything you buy, go ahead and get rid of the illegals. The greedy bastards who now employ them at short wages can hire American citizens at living wages to replace them as field hands, cooks, landscape workers, meat processors, roofers, and other jobs that they now do. Just don't forget it's coming out of your pocket.

Locking up a few CEOs for hiring them is a much better option.
actually they do make a fair wage for a days work. The Agri-Visa is one of the easiest to get. But these Ag workers just work and most of the time do not leave property, because the farms have in many cases has made temp quarters for the season.

This is not the problem.
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Old 07-17-2014, 05:18 AM
 
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Default Cutting foregn Aid

Yes If we stop the money flow and send a direct massage to all of these SA Countries our problem would be lessoned. Improve the fence hire more border agents and speed the deportation process.

John Corning R-TX and a Democrat (I think of his Name) has such a bill but Reid will not even put it for debate.
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Old 07-17-2014, 05:41 AM
 
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If you don't mind four dollar tomatoes and paying proportionately more for everything you buy, go ahead and get rid of the illegals. The greedy bastards who now employ them at short wages can hire American citizens at living wages to replace them as field hands, cooks, landscape workers, meat processors, roofers, and other jobs that they now do. Just don't forget it's coming out of your pocket.

Locking up a few CEOs for hiring them is a much better option.
Oh geez, here we go again. Your four dollar tomato argument is bogus. There are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign crop pickers. Some of the growers choose illegal aliens instead to increase their own profits while not passing any savings on to the consumer except their huge social costs. Only 3% of illegals are picking crops anyway. The rest are doing jobs that Americans have always done.

The only way to hold the employers accountable is by mandating e-verify across the board because presently they can claim they didn't knowingly hire illegal aliens because many of them use authentic looking, fake documents to get hired. It needs to be used to screen all current employees also.
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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First, eliminate ALL foreign aid, starting with central American countries who's criminals are breaking our border security laws. Second, set up some LARGE fenced compounds, with tents for housing and move criminal aliens there until deportation can take place. 3rd, put limits on the banking/money transfer industry. Require proof of citizenship or legal residency to allow the transfer of money out of the country, and seize any being sent by criminal aliens. FInally, eliminate all welfare, health care and education opportunities for criminal aliens. Take away the incentives to break the law.

Now, we can look at streamlining legal immigration, to make it easier for people with useful skills to stay in this country. But first pass laws that ensure that no one that has come here illegally can ever become legal citizens. We don't want to reward criminal acts. Rewarding criminals that break our laws with citizenship is like rewarding an illegal drug user with a medical license.

Mandate the use of e-verify and strengthen penalties to include jail time for those who knowingly hire illegals, including private individuals.
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The word illegal only has meaning when it pertains to American citizens... the word is out and that is why we are in illegal crisis..

If the poor were able to steal cars off the lot , there would be no cars left if that was overlooked by the government and the court system.

When there is a welcome mat out , and Obama's words are just that , then we shall constantly be overrun by illegals..

They are sending the kids over here to pull our heart strings.. believe me, I was poor and my parents had to obey the law no matter what. We got NO FREE HAND OUTS ! We did without .
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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What's with the hard-on for a better border fence? It's a medeival solution to a complex 21st century issue anyway.
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There's already a border fence. And where the fence is inadequate, there are BP agents patrolling everywhere.

We have one hell of a fence in my sector, and an army of BP agents. Illegals still get through.

You guys underestimate how difficult this is. What do you want? A moat filled with water and alligators a mile wide?

It's not a DMZ or the Golan Heights...it's a simple land border straddling two nations that do lots of business with each other. You can't do as much commerce with a neighbor like Mexico and not expect a porous border. That's unrealistic.
The trucks are bringing them over sense Nafta was passed.. they only check 2% of the trucks.. they are driven over..

Mexican truck drivers are allowed on our roads since Nafta.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:02 AM
 
Location: World
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Foreign Aid Funds are helping American Big Business / Corporates interests in other countries.

Illegal immmigrants are helping American Corporate interests by working at low salaries.

Thats how top 1% of the Americans become rich at the expense of 99% of Americans. All Rich CEOs are in favor of immigration.
Policy makers in this country only look at Profit interests of top 1%. The day they start thinking about remaining 99%, Border Fence will be built.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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1) We can end all foreign aid regardless of borders.
2) we don't need borders as much as ending incentives for illegal immigration. Once there are no incentives, they will all leave and the human smuggling will stop. As long as we provide work, medical care, education for children, instant citizenship for babies born here, they will continue arriving. No fence will stop them.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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1) We can end all foreign aid regardless of borders.
2) we don't need borders as much as ending incentives for illegal immigration. Once there are no incentives, they will all leave and the human smuggling will stop. As long as we provide work, medical care, education for children, instant citizenship for babies born here, they will continue arriving. No fence will stop them.
I agree we need to end all of the incentives but not all illegals are coming here for the above. Many are criminals and terrorists. Therefore the need for a good physical barrier in the most porous areas to assist the Border Patrol.
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