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Old 07-18-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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It was killing their economy and at least they are realizing the mistake and correcting it.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Solar power is cool. Taxes that do nothing but enrich the few are not. Sounds like "good for Australia again".
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Solar power is cool. Taxes that do nothing but enrich the few are not. Sounds like "good for Australia again".
Whats more important low taxes or our children's future?

According to the EPA CO2 caused global warming could increase the Earths temperature by 11.5 degrees F. in the next 80 years.
Future Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA

A 11.5 degree temperature increase would devastate our farming, livestock, and ecosystems. I'm all for low taxes, but perhaps the stability of this planet is more important than suffering from a high tax burden.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Whats more important low taxes or our children's future?

According to the EPA CO2 caused global warming could increase the Earths temperature by 11.5 degrees F. in the next 80 years.
Future Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA

A 11.5 degree temperature increase would devastate our farming, livestock, and ecosystems. I'm all for low taxes, but perhaps the stability of this planet is more important than suffering from a high tax burden.
And you believe it...That's what they are banking on.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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Solar power is cool. Taxes that do nothing but enrich the few are not. Sounds like "good for Australia again".
Australia has a horrible economy, don't they?



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And you believe it...That's what they are banking on.
Are you willing to bet the survival of your descendents on it?
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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Whats more important low taxes or our children's future?

According to the EPA CO2 caused global warming could increase the Earths temperature by 11.5 degrees F. in the next 80 years.
Future Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA

A 11.5 degree temperature increase would devastate our farming, livestock, and ecosystems. I'm all for low taxes, but perhaps the stability of this planet is more important than suffering from a high tax burden.
Lower taxes.

It won't go up 11.5C. Curb your hysteria.
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:52 PM
 
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Whats more important low taxes or our children's future?

According to the EPA CO2 caused global warming could increase the Earths temperature by 11.5 degrees F. in the next 80 years.
Future Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA

A 11.5 degree temperature increase would devastate our farming, livestock, and ecosystems. I'm all for low taxes, but perhaps the stability of this planet is more important than suffering from a high tax burden.


First no amount of taxes will stop man's need for cheap reliable energy.

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"That is also the view of energy chemist Nate Lewis of the California Institute of Technology. "It's not true that all the technologies are available and we just need the political will to deploy them," he says. "My concern, and that of most scientists working on energy, is that we are not anywhere close to where we need to be. We are too focused on cutting emissions 20 percent by 2020—but you can always shave 20 percent off" through, say, efficiency and conservation. By focusing on easy, near-term cuts, we may miss the boat on what's needed by 2050, when CO2 emissions will have to be 80 percent below today's to keep atmospheric levels no higher than 450 parts per million. (We're now at 386 ppm, compared with 280 before the Industrial Revolution.) That's 80 percent less emissions from much greater use of energy."

Lewis's numbers show the enormous challenge we face. The world used 14 trillion watts (14 terawatts) of power in 2006. Assuming minimal population growth (to 9 billion people), slow economic growth (1.6 percent a year, practically recession level) and—this is key—unprecedented energy efficiency (improvements of 500 percent relative to current U.S. levels, worldwide), it will use 28 terawatts in 2050. (In a business-as-usual scenario, we would need 45 terawatts.) Simple physics shows that in order to keep CO2 to 450 ppm, 26.5 of those terawatts must be zero-carbon. That's a lot of solar, wind, hydro, biofuels and nuclear, especially since renewables kicked in a measly 0.2 terawatts in 2006 and nuclear provided 0.9 terawatts. Are you a fan of nuclear? To get 10 terawatts, less than half of what we'll need in 2050, Lewis calculates, we'd have to build 10,000 reactors, or one every other day starting now. Do you like wind? If you use every single breeze that blows on land, you'll get 10 or 15 terawatts. Since it's impossible to capture all the wind, a more realistic number is 3 terawatts, or 1 million state-of-the art turbines, and even that requires storing the energy—something we don't know how to do—for when the wind doesn't blow. Solar? To get 10 terawatts by 2050, Lewis calculates, we'd need to cover 1 million roofs with panels every day from now until then. "It would take an army



Second, Australia carbon tax helped nothing in terms of curbing co2 emissions aside for collecting additional revenue.




Lastly if you think that the EPA and their climate models are going to come true with 11 degrees of warming in 80 years time then I have a bridge to sell you on Michigan Ave.



Left 30 years of satellite temps plus co2 middle, model busts, right most recent warming hiatus (presumably from PDO flip)


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Old 07-18-2014, 03:57 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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And you believe it...That's what they are banking on.
So we should trust Fox news and Rush radio more than the EPA in matters of global warming?
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:58 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Lower taxes.

It won't go up 11.5C. Curb your hysteria.
Do you have a source to back up your above statement?

Or is that something the "Great Leader" Rush Limbaugh said on the radio?
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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So we should trust Fox news and Rush radio more than the EPA in matters of global warming?
I trust no government agency.

They are always in perpetual war with the people in trying to separate them from their money.
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