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Old 08-14-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No it does not work.
Empty words unless you can show me how it's not working...
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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If carbon taxes work why did australia scrap its carbon tax?
All carbon tax plans are not equal.

The reason is politics, stupidity and possibly corruption.....

Australia scraps carbon tax after pressure from country's coal industry

Tony Abbott, Australia's prime minister, has scrapped Australia's controversial tax on carbon emissions – despite warnings by scientists that he was ignoring the evidence on climate change and pursuing a "perfect storm of stupidity".

Scientists, economists and environmentalists largely denounced the move, with many saying it was a "tragedy" and that Mr Abbott's new plan to directly pay polluters to reduce emissions is a waste of money that will fail to meet Australia's targeted emission cuts. Tony Abbott scraps Australia's carbon tax - Telegraph
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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If carbon taxes work why did australia scrap its carbon tax?
Australia isn't getting 86% of it's electric from hydro, electric generation form fossil fuels is by far the biggest thing that would be affected by such a tax. It would drive up the cost of everything.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Oh my....I thought you rightys were claiming Obama as the worst president.....


Obama is the worst potus ever, he just took over from carter only in the last couple of years.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Australia isn't getting 86% of it's electric from hydro, electric generation form fossil fuels is by far the biggest thing that would be affected by such a tax. It would drive up the cost of everything.
So what? If it's revenue neutral, as it is in BC. all tax collected is returned to the tax payers.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Obama is the worst potus ever, he just took over from carter only in the last couple of years.
It wouldn't matter who your president is...Any democrat would be assigned that title by you right wingnuts.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:19 PM
 
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Because renewable do not work on a large scale to much money for too little power.

You leave out private sector innovation.
They don't work now, but like any new or developing technology, they need to be given time to grow. Nuclear is unpopular but in the short-term it could be clean and efficient. In the longer-term, many futurists/scientists have sketched ideas for ways that the sun can be a huge source of energy for this planet.

I agree that the private sector may have a role to play, but there is also financial incentive to keep going with the status quo.

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What subsidies? Can you be specific?
They range from direct exploration and development subsidies, to myriad tax breaks on certain things that aren't usually available to regular companies, to price "adjustments." A lot of the thinking behind these oil subsidies does seem to make a lot of sense, but then there's also strong arguments for subsidizing growth in other sources of energy.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:21 PM
 
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Is the op claiming the political right never passes any laws? Of course not. That would be silly. Right, op?
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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[quote=NJBest;36076029]When you say "no pollution" but use a polluting source of energy, it's contradictory.

The volt is only cheaper for you because you drive a lot. The Prius is cheaper for me because I don't drive nearly as much as you everyday. A prius can run off of electricity long enough for me to get to and from work (or the train station when I have to go to NYC). And it costs less than a volt.

The fact that you drive so much is quite bad for the environment.[/QUOTE]

You do what you have to do to get to your job.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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That doesn't even make sense much less have anything to do with the topic.
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