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Old 07-19-2014, 06:57 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by TreeBeard View Post
This is true. "Redistribution of Wealth" is loaded term usually used by conservatives for opposition to just about any tax. The reality is wide gaps in wealth are associated with third world nations and not first world. Prudent tax policy is what maintains the balance in a free, properous state.
Hogwash! It is the financial systems of third world nations that produce wide gaps in wealth.

In America that is not the case.

Some people work harder than others, manage their finances better, they may be more intelligent, they have more drive, and nothing will stop them from achieving.

Others have little drive, do not strive to improve their skills, waste their money (buying lottery tickets, for example) and think the world owes them a living.

Taxation was never intended for the purpose of redistributing the earnings (wealth) of those who have worked hard and become successful (by their hard work, sacrifice, and the wise handling of their finances) to those not willing to put forth the same effort. This is a purely Marxist/socialist concept, rooted in a hatred of capitalism, and individualism. Individualism, and capitalism, must be destroyed, and the ability of a person to become rich made more difficult. This is what puts out of reach what we think of as the "American Dream" for most people.

It is politics, not our economic system that causes the disparity in income.

Case in point: Recent "reforms" in our banking regulations (touted by liberals as "good") have made it more difficult for entrepreneurs to get financing to start new businesses. Former Home Depot co-founder and CEO said recently in an interview that with today's tough financial regulations and restrictions, it would not have been possible for them to start Home Depot. When you look at Home Depot, its success, and the number of jobs that it has created, it is hard to imagine why such restrictions and regulations that prevent such entrepreneurship are viewed as "good" by liberals, unless you understand the "progressive's" hatred for capitalism, individualism, and entrepreneurship. They seek to destroy success, not encourage it. They cannot stand for a system that allows for some to become richer than others.

 
Old 07-19-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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Congratulations. You have swallowed the progressive lie hook line and sinker. When I was in the Navy, we had one word to describe someone who fell pray to emotional exploitation: FISH.
There's no emotions here. Perhaps you should read my post. Most officers are taught not to assume things though I'm thinking that an enlisted type was probably more your calling. You shouldn't assume as you make a first syllable out of the third.

My points are perfectly valid. Should you have an issue with them, then feel free to debate like a grown up.

Incidentally, the funny thing here is that those people who disagree with a progressive tax system are actually advocating raising taxes on the majority of taxpayers in the country. They probably like to pretend that they're conservative to boot.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I will also add that as redistribution has increased, the income and wealth gaps have widened:

Redistribution of wealth has gone upward, not down, since early '80s | MinnPost

Counterintuitive, but true. Increasing the progressivity of our federal tax system in an attempt to redistribute has actually had the opposite effect. Further proving the liberal economist I quoted to be correct in his analysis.

Pretty simple concept... if the intent is to rob from Peter to pay Paul, you have to keep Peter's income as high as possible or your plan won't work.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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i don't care about the gap, there will always be rich people and poor people. you got make your own way in life. by taking from one group and giving to the worthless is not a solution. government already does this with taxes
 
Old 07-19-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Hogwash! It is the financial systems of third world nations that produce wide gaps in wealth.

In America that is not the case.

Some people work harder than others, manage their finances better, they may be more intelligent, they have more drive, and nothing will stop them from achieving.

Others have little drive, do not strive to improve their skills, waste their money (buying lottery tickets, for example) and think the world owes them a living.

Taxation was never intended for the purpose of redistributing the earnings (wealth) of those who have worked hard and become successful (by their hard work, sacrifice, and the wise handling of their finances) to those not willing to put forth the same effort. This is a purely Marxist/socialist concept, rooted in a hatred of capitalism, and individualism. Individualism, and capitalism, must be destroyed, and the ability of a person to become rich made more difficult. This is what puts out of reach what we think of as the "American Dream" for most people.

It is politics, not our economic system that causes the disparity in income.

Case in point: Recent "reforms" in our banking regulations (touted by liberals as "good") have made it more difficult for entrepreneurs to get financing to start new businesses. Former Home Depot co-founder and CEO said recently in an interview that with today's tough financial regulations and restrictions, it would not have been possible for them to start Home Depot. When you look at Home Depot, its success, and the number of jobs that it has created, it is hard to imagine why such restrictions and regulations that prevent such entrepreneurship are viewed as "good" by liberals, unless you understand the "progressive's" hatred for capitalism, individualism, and entrepreneurship. They seek to destroy success, not encourage it. They cannot stand for a system that allows for some to become richer than others.
There is alot of hyperbole in this post. Progressives do not hate "capitalism, individualism and entrepreneurship." Given that many progressives are successful business people and that when it comes to protecting individual rights, progressives are at the forefront. But I do not want to digress.

Financial reforms were instituted after the economic meltdown. The abuse of the financial system by banks was rampant and had to be reined in. I am sure that after the stock market crash of 29 and all the financial and corporate regulations that followed, conservatives made the same argument. And what happened? Increased prosperity. The system only started to fall a part again when conservatives along with compliant Democrats repealed Glass-Steagall, and other New Deal legislation.

There are those that believe all regulations are bad and evil and that corporations and businesses should have free reign to do,as they please. If history had shown that large corporations are good citizens, then regulations are not necessary. But such is not the case.

Well thought out regulations work. Zoning laws work. Any number of laws that are to safeguard the health and safety of the public at large work and are nor socialist or Marxist.

Once again, and this is not meant to be facetious, if you want to live in a country without regulations move to a third world nation. It is just that we have built a society based on laws with a, for the most part, well-run government despite all the whining to the contrary.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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So the gap between rich and poor is less drastic?

Isn't this as simple as it sounds?
Yes, I do
 
Old 07-19-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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No that's theft.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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sure, I support this. just as soon as we deport the 20,000,000 latinos democrats use for votes. if you get rid of the criminals you let in for political reasons, the workforce shrinks, and wages go up naturally.

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Old 07-19-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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The rich, yes, not the wealthy. Not people in those higher income brackets that got there through their own effort and now make a decent salary. So no, not starting at 200 K, that's still just upper middle class and barely enables you to purchase a home in very high cost of living areas. But if you have 100 million in your bank account, then yes, those people should be taxed more than they are now.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Do i do not suppor that,but I also do not support the rich robbing the poor,as I lays say if you take if you take a million dollar from a man who has a million dollar and share it to a million poor people it will make no impression,but it is easyer to tke a one dollar each fom a million poor people and create a millionaire.
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